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Stender The lost Ramone

Number of posts: 5847 Age: 21 Registration date: 2008-01-26
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:15 am | |
| | James B. wrote: | | SpectreFate wrote: | Fer me....
1. Destruction Comes 9/10 2. Released Upon the Earth 8/10 3. Once Dead 8/10 4. Human Sacrifice 5/10 |
Ever noticed that those who don't like the first one best. usually like it least? |
...its cuz there out of their mind. Dude I had no idea you were that close to actually playing on the record James!! I didnt even know you were that connected with that scene back then...too cool man. That was kind of "weird" of Ochoa to say that though._________________  |
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James B. Scurvy Skalliwag

Number of posts: 4637 Age: 46 Registration date: 2008-02-10
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:54 am | |
| | Stender wrote: | | James B. wrote: | | SpectreFate wrote: | Fer me....
1. Destruction Comes 9/10 2. Released Upon the Earth 8/10 3. Once Dead 8/10 4. Human Sacrifice 5/10 |
Ever noticed that those who don't like the first one best. usually like it least? |
...its cuz there out of their mind.
Dude I had no idea you were that close to actually playing on the record James!! I didnt even know you were that connected with that scene back then...too cool man. That was kind of "weird" of Ochoa to say that though. |
Perhaps I may have made more of it than it actualy was ? I was given a number to call and didn't. Who knows what may have happened. I was involved with the very short lived Sanctuary church in Fontana, Calif. and played places that the more known bands from South Bay played. What George meant is that I was part of something either before, between, or after a band recorded something. There were alot of great musicians around back then and some had different goals, ideals and priorities than others. Fun times and sad times as well._________________  |
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mlotek Metal master


Number of posts: 600 Age: 43 Registration date: 2010-01-01
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:30 am | |
| | Stender wrote: | VENGEANCE RISING Demo 1988 1.White throne 2.He is God 3.Salvation 4.Human sacrifice 5.Beheaded 6.Message from Mathew
As for the songs, IMO a couple weird choices for their first demo as Salvation AND he is God are both on this. These are both tracks that are under a minute long..haha. Just weird to have for a demo I guess. |
In 1988, a lot of thrash metallers were into hardcore too, (I was getting into it) so when the band threw in a couple of short, quick numbers, (like we were introduced to on S.O.D's debut a few years before), it made sense, they were pretty smart I think to do that, and attract more fans. |
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Stender The lost Ramone

Number of posts: 5847 Age: 21 Registration date: 2008-01-26
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:36 pm | |
| | mlotek wrote: | | Stender wrote: | VENGEANCE RISING Demo 1988
1.White throne 2.He is God 3.Salvation 4.Human sacrifice 5.Beheaded 6.Message from Mathew
As for the songs, IMO a couple weird choices for their first demo as Salvation AND he is God are both on this. These are both tracks that are under a minute long..haha. Just weird to have for a demo I guess. |
In 1988, a lot of thrash metallers were into hardcore too, (I was getting into it) so when the band threw in a couple of short, quick numbers, (like we were introduced to on S.O.D's debut a few years before), it made sense, they were pretty smart I think to do that, and attract more fans. |
Thats a good point about it being a smart move, right around then it was okay for hardcore kids and thrash to hang and play shows together, also DRI had born the term Crossover. What I meant was I thought it to be a little weird to have a couple tunes that were real short and not hard to record on the bands very first demo but yeah, what you said actually makes sense._________________  |
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Thrasher73 Much Cooler than the other 72

Number of posts: 6436 Age: 39 Registration date: 2007-01-19
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:44 pm | |
| Released is my least favorite of the VR catalog.There are a couple tunes I like but by this time I had given up on ol Roger. |
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ultmetal Administrator


Number of posts: 15773 Registration date: 2007-01-04
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:53 pm | |
| Hey Stender, are you going to do Anthology? How about Once Dead - Return with a Vengeance? _________________ ULTIMATUM - TOO METAL FOR WIKIPEDIA!
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Stender The lost Ramone

Number of posts: 5847 Age: 21 Registration date: 2008-01-26
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:37 pm | |
| | ultmetal wrote: | Hey Stender, are you going to do Anthology? How about Once Dead - Return with a Vengeance? |
No anthology because its the same music off the albums that were already reviewed, but I want to do return with a vengeance, visions of hell, and some of the live vengeance tapes I have from the early 90's. I'll continue with the thread tonight._________________  |
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Addy Metal is in my blood


Number of posts: 2631 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-01-31
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:50 am | |
| I liked VR
Human Sacrifice- No Opinion havent heard it Once Dead - 8/10 Destruction Comes - 9/10 Released Upon The Earth - 3/10 (only reason why it gets a score is cuz Jimmy plays on the album) |
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Garyah Metal novice


Number of posts: 27 Age: 49 Registration date: 2009-10-17
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:56 am | |
| Human Sacrifice has always been and will always be one of my fav Christian metal albums. |
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Sutekh Metal master


Number of posts: 875 Age: 39 Registration date: 2008-05-22
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:39 am | |
| I can remember buying Human Sacrifice on vinyl in early 1990. The only Christian metal I'd heard to that time was Stryper and Whitecross, so needless to say my ears were in for a shock. The album leapt out with an intensity -actually, a ferocity, which still stands up today, in spite of whatever other shortcomings the recording had. I picked up Once Dead shortly after, but for some reason, it didn't grab me the same way, and it received less play over the years. In the last few years, however, I've realised that for me, Once Dead is actually the better album, with the band's sound tight and defined, and all members firing. So whilst HS is the groundbreaker and therefore classic, OD holds together better as a whole. I didn't mind about half of the tracks from Released, but couldn't stand Destruction Comes. |
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scottmitchell74 Jada Pinkett Smith's Cabana Boy

Number of posts: 7315 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-01-23
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:55 pm | |
| | Quote: | | I bought this cassette new as a young teenager in a Christian bookstore. At that time I was on a ever increasing exposure to heavier, faster metal. It seemed like the heavier and faster stuff I heard, the more consumed I became. Until Human Sacrifice the most extreme I had was Deliverance S/T which I had first. I remember just being completely blown away by this album. This was also my first exposure to screaming/growling vocals which also totally gripped me and in my young mind, added a whole other dimension of brutal and heavy metal. Just a monumental album in my life to this day. |
TROY - I basically had a very similar story. You more or less described my metal beginnings. I'll never forget the day I almost drowned in icy water with Human Sacrifice in my walkman. I fell through ice on a lake my dog and I were walking arcoss. My walkman and Human Sacrifice fell to the bottom, while I was able to break my way through to the shore. Cold!! I ran all the way home before I froze/got hypothermia and changed clothes, then ran back to the lake, took off all my clothes and waded NAKED into icy water to try to find that walkman. Never did. I then went back home, jumped in my truck and drove to the nearest mall which, by chance, had VR in the stacks. It's one of the few times I've ever had to buy an album more than once. My dog, being lighter, never fell through, so she ran around me in circles all excited. I guess she thought I was playing some game. |
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T-Roy Metal is in my blood


Number of posts: 3611 Age: 38 Registration date: 2007-07-27
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:24 pm | |
| | scottmitchell74 wrote: | | Quote: | | I bought this cassette new as a young teenager in a Christian bookstore. At that time I was on a ever increasing exposure to heavier, faster metal. It seemed like the heavier and faster stuff I heard, the more consumed I became. Until Human Sacrifice the most extreme I had was Deliverance S/T which I had first. I remember just being completely blown away by this album. This was also my first exposure to screaming/growling vocals which also totally gripped me and in my young mind, added a whole other dimension of brutal and heavy metal. Just a monumental album in my life to this day. |
TROY - I basically had a very similar story. You more or less described my metal beginnings. I'll never forget the day I almost drowned in icy water with Human Sacrifice in my walkman. I fell through ice on a lake my dog and I were walking arcoss. My walkman and Human Sacrifice fell to the bottom, while I was able to break my way through to the shore. Cold!! I ran all the way home before I froze/got hypothermia and changed clothes, then ran back to the lake, took off all my clothes and waded NAKED into icy water to try to find that walkman. Never did. I then went back home, jumped in my truck and drove to the nearest mall which, by chance, had VR in the stacks. It's one of the few times I've ever had to buy an album more than once. My dog, being lighter, never fell through, so she ran around me in circles all excited. I guess she thought I was playing some game. | FOLKS, THIS GUY RIGHT HERE EPITOMIZES HARDCORE!
Dude that is wild and scary! God certainly had other plans for you.....some rescue dog, huh!? PLAAAAAAAY!!!!  |
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FlyingV Metal graduate


Number of posts: 267 Age: 43 Registration date: 2009-07-08
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:35 pm | |
| I remember seeing the Human Sacrifice CD at a local Christian Book store. The guy who worked the music dept. showed me the new CD and we were freaking out that the cover was so gnarly, especially for a Christian band being sold along side Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith. I bought the CD in spite of the stunned look and commentary of the older lady at the cash register. I vividly remember playing that CD for the first time and as a previous post said it leaped out of the speakers with a ferocity and urgency that I had never heard before. Needless to say I was hooked and so began my journey into heavier musical realms. |
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ultmetal Administrator


Number of posts: 15773 Registration date: 2007-01-04
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:53 pm | |
| Vengeance Rising - Anthology (Intense) 1993 1. Warfare 2. Before The Time 3. Human Sacrifice 4. You Will Be Hated 5. Into The Abyss 6. You Can't Stop It 7. White Throne 8. Can't Get Out 9. Bishop Of Souls 10. Out Of The Will 11. Countless Corpses 12. Mulligan's Stew 13. Instruments Of Death At this point Vengeance Rising was on hiatus. Roger Martinez had flaked out and was hating the world. As such, Intense Records put out this 'best of' compilation. Quite frankly, it's a very uneven and awkward compilation. While there are some great songs here, the fact that the songs just seem to be haphazardly thrown together makes for a tough listen. Each of the four Vengeance Rising albums were very different from one another, with each having stark differences in recording quality and production as well. Had the label chosen to put the songs in some sort of chronological order, I think the over album would have been better. Cheap packaging to boot. Lyrics are included, but not much else in the way of liner notes or photos. This would be the last Vengeance Rising release until the 2004 reunion of the Human Sacrifice line-up and the release of the DVD, though the band would change their name just before the show to Once Dead. _________________ ULTIMATUM - TOO METAL FOR WIKIPEDIA!
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Stender The lost Ramone

Number of posts: 5847 Age: 21 Registration date: 2008-01-26
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:49 pm | |
| Sorry ult I have failed.  _________________  |
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Fat Freddy Lord of all PBR's


Number of posts: 19970 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-02-21
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:54 pm | |
| | ultmetal wrote: | | At this point Vengeance Rising was on hiatus. Roger Martinez had flaked out and was hating the world. As such, Intense Records put out this 'best of' compilation. |
Intense Records was also in financial trouble at this point, hence the proliferation of quickie "greatest hits" cash-in compilations from their most popular artists (Sacred Warrior's CLASSICS, Deliverance's A DECADE OF..., Shout/Tamplin's AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS, Angelica's BEST OF), all of which came out around the same time. _________________ "God's the ultimate playa, so naturally He's going to have some haters," rapper Ice Cube said. "But these haters need to realize that if you mess with the man upstairs, you will get your ass smote. True dat."
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ultmetal Administrator


Number of posts: 15773 Registration date: 2007-01-04
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kmorg Administrator


Number of posts: 12121 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-01-02
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:39 pm | |
| | Fat Freddy wrote: | | ultmetal wrote: | | At this point Vengeance Rising was on hiatus. Roger Martinez had flaked out and was hating the world. As such, Intense Records put out this 'best of' compilation. |
Intense Records was also in financial trouble at this point, hence the proliferation of quickie "greatest hits" cash-in compilations from their most popular artists (Sacred Warrior's CLASSICS, Deliverance's A DECADE OF..., Shout/Tamplin's AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS, Angelica's BEST OF), all of which came out around the same time. |
Didn't know that. Cool info.
This Anthology is of course uselss unless you HAE to own everything by the band. I bought it before I bought Destryuction Comes, and the songs from DC on Anthology are the best from that album._________________  |
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Thrasher73 Much Cooler than the other 72

Number of posts: 6436 Age: 39 Registration date: 2007-01-19
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:04 pm | |
| The only thing I dont own of theirs.I figured it was pointless.  |
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T-Roy Metal is in my blood


Number of posts: 3611 Age: 38 Registration date: 2007-07-27
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:10 pm | |
| Sorry, Once Dead is not and never will be VR without Roger Rising!!! Even though I think Once Dead slays. Two separate bands.  |
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biddle Metal graduate


Number of posts: 327 Age: 29 Registration date: 2008-02-12
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T-Roy Metal is in my blood


Number of posts: 3611 Age: 38 Registration date: 2007-07-27
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:35 pm | |
| I can't argue with that. But it still aint VR without him. |
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biddle Metal graduate


Number of posts: 327 Age: 29 Registration date: 2008-02-12
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:02 pm | |
| ok, that's why it was called once dead, but the DVD is still the vr reunion show. larry, doug, glen and roger dale were the original band. |
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Stender The lost Ramone

Number of posts: 5847 Age: 21 Registration date: 2008-01-26
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:38 pm | |
| I'll do the reunion DVD review and also the visions of hell album as a epilogue to VR soon dudes. About the anthology disc, I never got it because I had heard alot of those KMG issues were missing tracks on their regular album reissues not to mention sported skimpy liner notes. I figured I would just pick up the originals of the VR albums I was missing at the time which were the later Roger rising records. _________________  |
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scottmitchell74 Jada Pinkett Smith's Cabana Boy

Number of posts: 7315 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-01-23
 | Subject: Re: Vengeance Rising discography Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:55 am | |
| Olafsto wrote: | Quote: | | Do those of you who love this band, think you would like them just as much if you heard them for the first time today and had no idea they were a christian band? |
Completely missed this months ago... Fair question. Here's my answer. Human Sacrifice - I wouldn't like as much because it's too raw and not as melodic. Once Dead - I would still LOVE this album. It's really, really good. Destruction Comes - By the time this came out I was such a fan boy that I loved it and ate it up. I still like it, but I think I would dismiss it if I'd heard it for the first time now. Released Upon the Earth - Loved it then, love it now. It has aged very well in my ears. |
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