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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:42 pm

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If it hadn't been for StormSpell records reissuing 'Born Of The Cauldron', i would not have heard of them either.
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Where did you post that? I can't remember reading that at all...


In the Powermetal Essentials thread.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:42 pm

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I think Dave the Boss and Achrisk are the most likely to agree with me ... I'll have to be extra picky to throw them off ...

Oh yeah, definitely. It'll be interesting what you'll come up with next time, haha.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:49 pm

Cauldron Born is great for sure,but better than Maiden?I dont think I can agree with that.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:50 pm

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manny wrote:

I have never heard of Cauldron Born but I am going to assume since you like 'em ToB then they must suck.

I know you were joking manny... but Cauldron Born rule! I can't imagine anyone into US heavy/power metal not loving that band.

Is it a little sad that I've never heard them?

Yeah... kinda... But anyway, they're awesome. Imagine Fates Warning and Rising Force having a fistfight, while Dio and Maiden are being blasted in the background. Awesome stuff.


Wow, with a description like that now I will have to check them out.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:53 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
I think Dave the Boss and Achrisk are the most likely to agree with me ... I'll have to be extra picky to throw them off ...

So now you have a fan club TOB?
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:18 pm

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thejokeriv wrote:
Ok - I agree with NOTHING on the list!!!!

Sorry, Blaze sucks and the song writing was lacking.

But not as lacking as the other albums I listed.

Totally disagree - Brave New World, Dance Of Death and A Matter Of Life And Death are all classics! You can go back to No prayer For The Dying and see part of what was missing - Adrian's influence and song writing. That had been missing since Seventh Son. The big plus, A Matter Of Life And Death is the 2nd best Maiden album (after Piece Of Mind). Can't wait for the next one to come out later this year!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:24 pm

11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:25 pm

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Temple of Blood wrote:
I think Dave the Boss and Achrisk are the most likely to agree with me ... I'll have to be extra picky to throw them off ...

So now you have a fan club TOB?

Nah, just some like-minded folks.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:26 pm

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thejokeriv wrote:
Ok - I agree with NOTHING on the list!!!!

Sorry, Blaze sucks and the song writing was lacking.

But not as lacking as the other albums I listed.

Totally disagree - Brave New World, Dance Of Death and A Matter Of Life And Death are all classics! You can go back to No prayer For The Dying and see part of what was missing - Adrian's influence and song writing. That had been missing since Seventh Son.

Adrian wasn't on the first album and it was still great.

A lot of Adrian's stuff is the worst and contains the worst riffs I think. Harris is by far the best songwriter in that band.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:26 pm

manny wrote:
Opinions of Manny everyone will agree with

1) ToB should stop smoking crack
2) ToB should invest in a hearing aid
3) ToB 's ego makes Yngwie Malmsteem seem downright humble
4) ToB should move out of his mother's basement and interact with human beings
5) This is the best thread ToB has created.

I agree with all except No. 5.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:31 pm

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14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"

I agree.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:41 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is

I think I can raise my hand in agreement on these. Def. on 14

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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:06 pm

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11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label

11. I'm really not that familiar with Death actually... so no comment
12. It is pretty damn horrible. Don't know if it's the worst, but they're definitely trying.
13. Agree
14. I don't like Metal Church post-Blessing in Disguise anyway, so I agree.
15. Again, I'm not that familiar with Overkill. I think I have only one or two albums, and it's been a while since I listened to them.
16. Agree
17. Agree
18. Dream Theater aren't really my thang anyway, but at least the early stuff is better than the recent albums, so I agree.
19. Agree
20. I've never even heard a Seven Witches song, so no comment.

Again, you'll have to try harder. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:09 pm

I agree with numbers four and six. But ten? Cmon dude. Forced Entry were great. But nowhere near Believer in their prime.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:19 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label

11.Maybe
14.Nope-maybe after The Human Factor
15.No Way
17.You're right there
20.Not the worst,Year of the Witch is actually pretty good.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:27 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
Thrasher73 wrote:
Temple of Blood wrote:
I think Dave the Boss and Achrisk are the most likely to agree with me ... I'll have to be extra picky to throw them off ...

So now you have a fan club TOB?

Nah, just some like-minded folks.

Haha,I understand.Hey even I agree with some of your opinions on Thrash and Power Metal.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:31 pm

We'll let Fat Freddy answer # 15 when he is done shoveling snow!!!!!

13 - nope! They fit the music
16 - Nope, they played what they wanted to
18. Way wrong - they have so many great songs and great albums!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:32 pm

11. 100% disagree

13. That is only because no major magazines have interviewed that tool that plays in Temple of Blood

15. WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOONG

16. Wrong again (as usual)

19. Sadly I agree with ToB on this comment


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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:34 pm

manny wrote:
Opinions of Manny everyone will agree with

1) ToB should stop smoking crack
2) ToB should invest in a hearing aid
3) ToB 's ego makes Yngwie Malmsteem seem downright humble
4) ToB should move out of his mother's basement and interact with human beings
5) This is the best thread ToB has created.


6) ToB needs a metronome
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:37 pm

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1. CAULDRON BORN are a better band than IRON MAIDEN
2. The Blaze Bayley IRON MAIDEN albums are better than the recent Bruce ones (including all Bruce's solo albums)
3. "Fistful of Metal" is better than "State of Euphroria"
4. "Impact is Imminent" is better than "Bonded by Blood"
5. "Show No Mercy" is better than "Reign in Blood"
6. Ski (FAITH FACTOR, ex-DEADLY BLESSING, ex-ALTERED STATE) is a far better singer than Tim "Ripper" Owens.
7. Skolnick's guitar solos these days are pretty tasteless and terrible
8. LETHAL is better than CAGE
9. Lars Ulrich's drumming >>>> Jon Schaffer's songwriting
10. FORCED ENTRY is much better than BELIEVER

... to be continued ...

1. Never heard Cauldron Born. But I have serious doubts on this one. It is hard to be better than the first four Maiden albums. Overall career? Maybe that's a different story.

2. I am unfamiliar both with the Blaze albums, and recent Bruce albums.

3. Totally agree. State of Euphoria sounds like Anthrax trying to put out an Anthrax album. Like a parody of itself.

4. Your drunk.

5. Whatever. They are both good.

6. Better singer? That's a little tough to say objectively. I also have limited exposure to both, except for Deadly Blessing - Ascend from the Cauldron, which I absolutely love!. From what I have heard, I like Ski's works better that Ripper's.

7. Am not very familiar with Testament's discography.

8. Not very familiar with Cage. Never heard Lethal. I do have one Cage CD which I have probably listened to twice. I like it.

9. Hard to say here. I am a much bigger fan of the first 3.5 Metallica albums than I am of Iced Earth, but I do like some IE.

10. I will disagree. I like Forced Entry, but I have not really become intimately acquainted with their stuff. I think there is a lot of Believer that is pretty amazing. Extraction and maybe 1/3 of the rest of their stuff..


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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:41 pm

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6) ToB needs a metronome

What in the world are you talking about?
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:49 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label


11. Could be, but I like Death quite a bit. I guess I haven't been specifically annoyed by his solos. The songs are pretty good.

12. How can this and 13 both be true?

13. He is pretty bad, but doesn't necessarily ruin songs.

14. Haven't heard Wayne's solo stuff, but I also don't like any Metal Church past The Dark.

15. Not all that familiar with Overkill's discography, but from what I have heard, they would never be a favorite band of mine.

16. Slayer in the 90's is something I wasn't really paying attention to.

17. WAT? I have no clue or opinion.

18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs (your sentence was too long).

19. Not sure that I have ever heard Tony Martin sing. Lowe is a great singer though. Messiah is for Candlemass.

20. I wasn't impressed by what I heard of Seven Witches.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:50 pm

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19. Not sure that I have ever heard Tony Martin sing.

Black Sabbath albums Tony Martin sang on:

Headless Cross
Eternal Idol
Cross Purposes
TYR
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:52 pm

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19. Not sure that I have ever heard Tony Martin sing.

Black Sabbath albums Tony Martin sang on:

Headless Cross
Eternal Idol
Cross Purposes
TYR

OK. Now I am sure I have never heard Tony Martin sing.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:33 pm

i agree with everything but 8 and 10. other than that you have my respect sir.
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