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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:43 pm

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1. CAULDRON BORN are a better band than IRON MAIDEN
2. The Blaze Bayley IRON MAIDEN albums are better than the recent Bruce ones (including all Bruce's solo albums)
3. "Fistful of Metal" is better than "State of Euphroria"
4. "Impact is Imminent" is better than "Bonded by Blood"
5. "Show No Mercy" is better than "Reign in Blood"
6. Ski (FAITH FACTOR, ex-DEADLY BLESSING, ex-ALTERED STATE) is a far better singer than Tim "Ripper" Owens.
7. Skolnick's guitar solos these days are pretty tasteless and terrible
8. LETHAL is better than CAGE
9. Lars Ulrich's drumming >>>> Jon Schaffer's songwriting
10. FORCED ENTRY is much better than BELIEVER

... to be continued ...

1. Never heard Cauldron Born. But I have serious doubts on this one. It is hard to be better than the first four Maiden albums. Overall career? Maybe that's a different story.

2. I am unfamiliar both with the Blaze albums, and recent Bruce albums.

3. Totally agree. State of Euphoria sounds like Anthrax trying to put out an Anthrax album. Like a parody of itself.

4. Your drunk.

5. Whatever. They are both good.

6. Better singer? That's a little tough to say objectively. I also have limited exposure to both, except for Blessed Death - Ascend from the Cauldron, which I absolutely love!. From what I have heard, I like Ski's works better that Ripper's.

7. Am not very familiar with Testament's discography.

8. Not very familiar with Cage. Never heard Lethal. I do have one Cage CD which I have probably listened to twice. I like it.

9. Hard to say here. I am a much bigger fan of the first 3.5 Metallica albums than I am of Iced Earth, but I do like some IE.

10. I will disagree. I like Forced Entry, but I have not really become intimately acquainted with their stuff. I think there is a lot of Believer that is pretty amazing. Extraction and maybe 1/3 of the rest of their stuff..

Deadly Blessing, not Blessed Death.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:47 pm

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OK. Now I am sure I have never heard Tony Martin sing.

You're missing out. Which gives me an idea for my next list ...
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:36 pm

AchrisK wrote:
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19. Not sure that I have ever heard Tony Martin sing.

Black Sabbath albums Tony Martin sang on:

Headless Cross
Eternal Idol
Cross Purposes
TYR

OK. Now I am sure I have never heard Tony Martin sing.

Like ToB said, you're missing out...the dude is incredible.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:38 pm

Thoses Tony Martin albums are completely underrated.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:33 pm

Some seem like decent opinions, I can understand 3, 4 and 5. Cage and Lethal are different enough not sure they compare well. 7 you're totally wrong on and I may have to hurt you for 6.

I appreciate this thread a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:45 pm

Jesusandmetal23 wrote:

Deadly Blessing, not Blessed Death.

Right! Doy.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:30 pm

I agree with 11 & 13.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:22 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
1. CAULDRON BORN are a better band than IRON MAIDEN
2. The Blaze Bayley IRON MAIDEN albums are better than the recent Bruce ones (including all Bruce's solo albums)
3. "Fistful of Metal" is better than "State of Euphroria"
4. "Impact is Imminent" is better than "Bonded by Blood"
5. "Show No Mercy" is better than "Reign in Blood"
6. Ski (FAITH FACTOR, ex-DEADLY BLESSING, ex-ALTERED STATE) is a far better singer than Tim "Ripper" Owens.
7. Skolnick's guitar solos these days are pretty tasteless and terrible
8. LETHAL is better than CAGE
9. Lars Ulrich's drumming >>>> Jon Schaffer's songwriting
10. FORCED ENTRY is much better than BELIEVER

... to be continued ...

1. Who?
2. I agree
3. I agree
4. I agree
5. I agree
6. Not so much
7. I agree
8. Who? (for both)
9. Nope
10. They both suck
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:24 pm

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11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label

11. I agree
12. There are worse
13. Once again, there are worse
14. Don't care for Metal Church, so whatever
15. Them's fightin' words
16. NO U
17. I agree
18. Dream Theater have written very few good songs ever
19. I agree
20. Who?
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:29 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
1. CAULDRON BORN are a better band than IRON MAIDEN
2. The Blaze Bayley IRON MAIDEN albums are better than the recent Bruce ones (including all Bruce's solo albums)
3. "Fistful of Metal" is better than "State of Euphroria"
4. "Impact is Imminent" is better than "Bonded by Blood"
5. "Show No Mercy" is better than "Reign in Blood"
6. Ski (FAITH FACTOR, ex-DEADLY BLESSING, ex-ALTERED STATE) is a far better singer than Tim "Ripper" Owens.
7. Skolnick's guitar solos these days are pretty tasteless and terrible
8. LETHAL is better than CAGE
9. Lars Ulrich's drumming >>>> Jon Schaffer's songwriting
10. FORCED ENTRY is much better than BELIEVER

... to be continued ...

1. disagree
2. disagree
3. disagree
4. I hate you
5. yeah
6. singer yeah, vocalist no
7. cant say really, havent heard much
8. disagree
9. yeah
10. disagree
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:00 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
1. CAULDRON BORN are a better band than IRON MAIDEN
2. The Blaze Bayley IRON MAIDEN albums are better than the recent Bruce ones (including all Bruce's solo albums)
3. "Fistful of Metal" is better than "State of Euphroria"
4. "Impact is Imminent" is better than "Bonded by Blood"
5. "Show No Mercy" is better than "Reign in Blood"
6. Ski (FAITH FACTOR, ex-DEADLY BLESSING, ex-ALTERED STATE) is a far better singer than Tim "Ripper" Owens.
7. Skolnick's guitar solos these days are pretty tasteless and terrible
8. LETHAL is better than CAGE
9. Lars Ulrich's drumming >>>> Jon Schaffer's songwriting
10. FORCED ENTRY is much better than BELIEVER

... to be continued ...

1.Never heard of them...but really?
2.That's asinine
3.Agreed
4.Agreed
5.Can't say.Never heard Show No Mercy
6.Can't say.Never heard of Ski.
7.Agreed.
8.Can't say.Never heard Lethal and only have Cage's debut.
9.Agreed,I guess.
10.Can't say.Haven't heard either band.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:12 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label



11.Can't say.Never heard his music.
12.Can't agree.I'm sure there are worse.
13.Can't say.
14.That's asinine.
15.You've never really listened to Overkill,have you ?
16.Don't have an opinion on that.
17.Hard to say.
18.I'm not real big on Dream Theater.
19.Never heard Lowe sing but Martin is awesome.
20.Hardly.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:30 pm

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A lot of Adrian's stuff is the worst and contains the worst riffs I think. Harris is by far the best songwriter in that band.

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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:31 pm

I agree with #7
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:35 pm

Disagree with #12 - the worst guitar solo is on Mortification's Live planetarium album: Black Snake (Mick Carlisle's solo is horrific)

I agree with #18 - Kevin Moore had a natural fit with DT. The albums these days are good, but I do miss Kevin's playing on the 1st three albums.

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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:51 am

Temple of Blood wrote:
11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label


11. Disagree
12. Not the worst...
13. Not quite...
14. Maybe
15 False!
16. True
17. True for Louie, not Tom.
18. True
19. True! Tony Martin is badass!
20. Maybe
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:51 am

I'm in agreement on

2
3
4
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:43 am

Temple of Blood wrote:
1. CAULDRON BORN are a better band than IRON MAIDEN
2. The Blaze Bayley IRON MAIDEN albums are better than the recent Bruce ones (including all Bruce's solo albums)
3. "Fistful of Metal" is better than "State of Euphroria"
4. "Impact is Imminent" is better than "Bonded by Blood"
5. "Show No Mercy" is better than "Reign in Blood"
6. Ski (FAITH FACTOR, ex-DEADLY BLESSING, ex-ALTERED STATE) is a far better singer than Tim "Ripper" Owens.
7. Skolnick's guitar solos these days are pretty tasteless and terrible
8. LETHAL is better than CAGE
9. Lars Ulrich's drumming >>>> Jon Schaffer's songwriting
10. FORCED ENTRY is much better than BELIEVER

... to be continued ...


agree with 1,6,8. don't have an opinion for the others.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:53 am

Temple of Blood wrote:
11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label


agree with 13. but then i never was a LA slayer fan. i prefer the SA slayer. i can imagine mr. jarzombek playing with early LA slayer....or mr. art villareal(but then nobody would played in karian, so thankfully, we can't change the past).

19 is a brilliant idea. tony is my fave singer in BS. and mr. vikstrom in c/mass.

disagree with 20. SW is just a very mediocre/boring band. there were tons of worse ones.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:28 am

Whether DT has few good songs or not is all a matter of opinion. As for mine, they have more good songs than bad (though the Kevin Moore ones are the best-sans the debut).
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:49 am

Some comments:

Temple of Blood wrote:
1. CAULDRON BORN are a better band than IRON MAIDEN
2. The Blaze Bayley IRON MAIDEN albums are better than the recent Bruce ones (including all Bruce's solo albums)
3. "Fistful of Metal" is better than "State of Euphroria"
4. "Impact is Imminent" is better than "Bonded by Blood"
5. "Show No Mercy" is better than "Reign in Blood"
6. Ski (FAITH FACTOR, ex-DEADLY BLESSING, ex-ALTERED STATE) is a far better singer than Tim "Ripper" Owens.
7. Skolnick's guitar solos these days are pretty tasteless and terrible
8. LETHAL is better than CAGE
9. Lars Ulrich's drumming >>>> Jon Schaffer's songwriting
10. FORCED ENTRY is much better than BELIEVER

1. Cauldron Born are better than Blaze-era Iron Maiden, that's about it.

2. The Blaze albums are Iron Maiden's weakest era by far, and represent a victory of sorts for Bruce, who released the stellar Accident of Birth and The Chemical Wedding during that time period. Side-by-side, Bruce wins out easily.

3. Full agreement. State of Euphoria is the weakest of the Belladonna-era albums. (Still like Joey's vocals more than Neil's though)

7. Skolnick sounds just like he ever has on Formation of Damnation, except he's a little more restrained these days.

10.

Temple of Blood wrote:
11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label

11. Chuck Schuldiner. Bad guitar solo. Does not compute.

13. Dude, Jeff Hanneman isn't even the worst lead guitarist in Slayer!

15. Nah

16. Make it the late 90s, and you're right. DiM made me

17. All respect to Lombardo, but he wasn't the one writing the riffs or the lryics.

19. You may have been able to make a case for this back in the early 90s, but have you heard Tony lately? Time has not been kind. No way he can match, or even come close to Lowe these days.


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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:57 am

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16. Make it the late 90s, and you're right. DiM made me

That's what i meant. SITA is my favorite Slayer album.
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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:07 pm

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3. "Fistful of Metal" is better than "State of Euphroria"

I agree with this one.

Temple of Blood wrote:
8. LETHAL is better than CAGE

This one too.

Temple of Blood wrote:
10. FORCED ENTRY is much better than BELIEVER

I can conditionally agree with this one, though to be honest I never cared much for either band...

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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:01 am

Temple of Blood wrote:
1. CAULDRON BORN are a better band than IRON MAIDEN
2. The Blaze Bayley IRON MAIDEN albums are better than the recent Bruce ones (including all Bruce's solo albums)
3. "Fistful of Metal" is better than "State of Euphroria"
4. "Impact is Imminent" is better than "Bonded by Blood"
5. "Show No Mercy" is better than "Reign in Blood"
6. Ski (FAITH FACTOR, ex-DEADLY BLESSING, ex-ALTERED STATE) is a far better singer than Tim "Ripper" Owens.
7. Skolnick's guitar solos these days are pretty tasteless and terrible
8. LETHAL is better than CAGE
9. Lars Ulrich's drumming >>>> Jon Schaffer's songwriting
10. FORCED ENTRY is much better than BELIEVER

... to be continued ...

1.Never listened to Cauldron Born so cant decide whether to agree with you on that one,
2. I actually like the Blaze Bayley albums so I agree with you on that one with the exception of Dance of Death,
3.just agree
4. Agree that Impact is imminent is better than BBB but just
5.Agree that Show No mercy is better than Reign in Blood. RIB IMO is overrated and too monotonous,
6.Wouldnt know on the ripper owen opinion
7. Havent listened to a latest Testament
8. don't know
9. Now this is an outrageously controversial opinion that does make my blood pressure rise, Lars Ulrich's drumming is on the same level Jon Schaffer's songwriting?
Lars Ulrich is a mediocre drummer if compared to the majority of other drummers in the thrash metal genre his drumming however impressed me on AJFA though.
10. Don't know


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PostSubject: Re: ToB's Controversial Opinions thread (that no one here will agree with)   Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:11 am

Temple of Blood wrote:
11. Chuck Shuldiner played more bad guitar solos during his career than good ones
12. The worst guitar solo in all of metal history is at the beginning of FLOTSAM AND JETSAM's "Der Fuhrer"
13. Jeff Hanneman is the worst lead guitarist in all of metal history who has ever been interviewed by a guitar magazine
14. David Wayne's solo album is far better than every METAL CHURCH album since "Blessing in Disguise"
15. OVERKILL have more bad songs in their discography than good ones
16. SLAYER sold out during the 90s
17. If SLAYER had had Louie Clemente or Tom Hunting on drums they wouldn't have been half as popular as they are now
18. DREAM THEATER have written very few good songs since Kevin Moore quit
19. Tony Martin would be a better singer for CANDLEMASS now than Robert Lowe is
20. SEVEN WITCHES is the worst metal band to ever be signed by a large metal label

11.disagree completely angry angry
12.don't know
13.disagree he's better than kerry king
14. havent listened to the album but I havent liked anything by Metal Church since Human factor so i do find your opinion plausable
15. Totally Disagree angry
16. not compared to MetallicA but more bland
17. don't know who the drummers are
18. Hate Dream Theatre so pass on that one
19. Interesting opinion maybe
20. don't know who they are
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