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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:30 am

I think all Christians should rid themselves of all their evil, unholy (double negative?) secular (triple negative?) music! It will corrupt your soooooooooooooooooul!

PM me your CD lists.

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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:23 am

like you dont get enough cds, mr. cd smurf-for-hire!

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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:13 pm

Eyesore wrote:
I think all Christians should rid themselves of all their evil, unholy (double negative?) secular (triple negative?) music! It will corrupt your soooooooooooooooooul!

PM me your CD lists.


lol! Do you really need more CD's in your collection? You're a Tower Records all by yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:46 pm

GrandNational wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
I think all Christians should rid themselves of all their evil, unholy (double negative?) secular (triple negative?) music! It will corrupt your soooooooooooooooooul!

PM me your CD lists.


lol! Do you really need more CD's in your collection? You're a Tower Records all by yourself.

he is like wal mart, tower records and best but all put together!!

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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:27 pm

exact33 wrote:
GrandNational wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
I think all Christians should rid themselves of all their evil, unholy (double negative?) secular (triple negative?) music! It will corrupt your soooooooooooooooooul!

PM me your CD lists.


lol! Do you really need more CD's in your collection? You're a Tower Records all by yourself.

he is like wal mart, tower records and best but all put together!!

Or the amazon.com warehouse!
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:36 pm

As someone who went through a phase of only listening to Christian music for 10-12 years, I can say that as good as it was for my mind to only put those positive messages on my stereo, I did miss out on a lot of good music, which I am now scrambling to catch up on.
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:42 pm

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As someone who went through a phase of only listening to Christian music for 10-12 years, I can say that as good as it was for my mind to only put those positive messages on my stereo, I did miss out on a lot of good music, which I am now scrambling to catch up on.

I too listened to Christian only for awihle and I agree - I do enjoy Christian music but I think the 'scene' as a whole went a different direction than my musical tastes. I think in the end, its a personal decision as to what you listen to. No one else can make the decision for you - its how you feel that matters.

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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:48 pm

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I think in the end, its a personal decision as to what you listen to. No one else can make the decision for you - its how you feel that matters.



This is the nub of the issue IMO. Music, movies, games...it's all about how you feel IMO. If it offends your conscience, then get rid of it but it's all about developing and recognizing your conscience (or "spirit" if you prefer).
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:09 pm

Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:14 pm

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Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

I have always appreciated Steve Taylor for his song 'Guilty By Association' on this very topic:

So you need a new car?
Let your fingers take a walk
Through the business guide for the "born again" flock
You'll be keeping all your money
In the kingdom now
And you'll only drink milk from a Christian cow

Don't you go casting your bread
To keep the heathen well-fed
Line Christian pockets instead
Avoid temptation

Guilty by association

Turn the radio on
To a down-home drawl
Hear a brylcream prophet with a message for y'all
"I have found a new utensil
In the devil's toolbox
And the heads are gonna roll if Jesus rocks

It's a worldly design!
God's music should be divine!
Try buying records like mine
Avoid temptation"

Guilty by association

So you say it's of the devil and we've got no choice
Because you heard a revelation from the "still small voice?"
If the Bible doesn't back it then it seems quite clear
Perhaps it was the devil who whispered in your ear

It's a Telethon Tuesday for The Gospel Club
"Send your money in now or they're gonna pull the plug!"
Just remember this fact when they plead and beg
When The Chicken Squawks Loudest Gonna Lay A Big Egg
You could be smelling a crook
You should be checking The Book
But you'd rather listen than look
The implication

Guilty by association



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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:34 am

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Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?


Good question.
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:19 am

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Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

I've known someone who was Free Holiness, and her family basically did that after she cut her hair and started wearing pants. They still talk to her, but seem to really dislike what she's doing with her life (aka not being Holiness)
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:28 pm

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Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

Depends. A lot of times someone who converts to Christianity is shunned by family and friends or they mock their beliefs and try to get them to compromise those beliefs and you have no choice but to distance yourself from them. If they respect your conversion and don't try to tempt you away from your faith then there is no reason to disassociate from them. A Christian is suposed to live in the world but not be influenced by it, not ignore it all together.
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:41 pm

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Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

I've known someone who was Free Holiness, and her family basically did that after she cut her hair and started wearing pants. They still talk to her, but seem to really dislike what she's doing with her life (aka not being Holiness)

What kind of a whacky cult is that?
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:01 pm

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An honest question here but how do you guy's reconcile your faith and love of heavy metal? I've had a heck of time and have come close to giving up metal or my faith a few times. I mean I can see the christian metal part but I have a love of death and black metal.

Am I missing something or am I being too hard and restrictive on myself. I appriciate any feedback that you guys can give. I've read this board for awhile now and figured this might be a good place to ask this question.

I don't listen to secular metal because I myself cannot reconcile doing so. But, this question is asked of me constantly. Friends at church, family...they don't understand how I can listen or like Christian metal. I never had much of an explanation until a couple years ago. Once again, another "discussion" regarding my music with my wife. And finally an answer from my heart leaped out.

"If I could put a 'sound' or an audible illustration to my faith, all my intensity, all my emotion, all my beliefs in their most radical and raw forms, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD SOUND LIKE (QUE-Impending Doom)!" And for the first time, I think she understood my absurd fascination and stubbornness in persisting with this awful music.

King David danced a seemingly wild, disturbing dance right in public upon the Ark being returned to Israel, so much so it embarrassed his wife who rebuked him for having no shame.

Most here know I'm a death metal nut. Thrash, deathcore, metalcore, hardcore...if there's growling, I'm game. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:31 pm

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Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

A Christian is suposed to live in the world but not be influenced by it, not ignore it all together.

How is that possible in the world we live in today??
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:53 pm

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DallasBlack wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

A Christian is suposed to live in the world but not be influenced by it, not ignore it all together.

How is that possible in the world we live in today??
The same way it's possible to live in a communist country but never buy into the communist ideal. Does that make sense?
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:33 pm

T-Roy wrote:
Olafsto wrote:
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Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

A Christian is suposed to live in the world but not be influenced by it, not ignore it all together.

How is that possible in the world we live in today??
The same way it's possible to live in a communist country but never buy into the communist ideal. Does that make sense?

I understand what you mean, but i still wonder. We have access to so much information and so many use the media to push their goods or their message, that icant see how anyone can say that they are not influenced by it. It would make sense a 100 years ago.
And i dont think that you are un influenced even if you dont buy into something.
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:01 pm

Olafsto, your point is good and well taken. For me as a Christian, I know I am influenced by things in the World, but I believe I should keep "fighting the good fight" and not just let the World roll over me. It's the fight that counts, in my mind. I'm a fallen sinner, but I keep getting back up.

I know that's not an elegant explanation, but the older I get the more simplistic my faith has become.


This is a good thread! I've had a similar experience to many here in that I used to listen exclusively to Christian Metal and have since allowed myself to include metal as long as it's not overtly sexual or blasphemous. I have no problem with bands that question Christianity, I question it all the time, but I don't like direct attacks.

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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:06 pm

Olafsto wrote:
T-Roy wrote:
Olafsto wrote:
DallasBlack wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

A Christian is suposed to live in the world but not be influenced by it, not ignore it all together.

How is that possible in the world we live in today??
The same way it's possible to live in a communist country but never buy into the communist ideal. Does that make sense?

I understand what you mean, but i still wonder. We have access to so much information and so many use the media to push their goods or their message, that icant see how anyone can say that they are not influenced by it. It would make sense a 100 years ago.
And i dont think that you are un influenced even if you dont buy into something.
I don't think I disagree with you. Also, not exactly sure what verse he's referring to but "influence" is not the right word. I believe it says We are to be in the world (obviously, we live in it) but not of the world. In other words, our faith comes from the perspective that this world is temporary. We're not "of" it. And yes, on the outside we're influenced by our surroundings. Finances, quality of life, marketing, what we buy, how we live....all those physical aspects. That's why personally I believe Pepsi DESTROYS Coke.
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:20 pm

T-Roy, you nailed the verse and Biblical concept. In the World, not of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:02 pm

I think you both nailed it T- Roy and Scottmitchell. You both answered my question and it`s much clearer to me now, thanks!
Except the part with the Pepsi destroys Coke maybe Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:08 pm

This is one of the most constructive and instructive threads I've seen in a long time. Kudos.

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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:19 pm

T-Roy wrote:
Olafsto wrote:
T-Roy wrote:
Olafsto wrote:
DallasBlack wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

A Christian is suposed to live in the world but not be influenced by it, not ignore it all together.

How is that possible in the world we live in today??
The same way it's possible to live in a communist country but never buy into the communist ideal. Does that make sense?

I understand what you mean, but i still wonder. We have access to so much information and so many use the media to push their goods or their message, that icant see how anyone can say that they are not influenced by it. It would make sense a 100 years ago.
And i dont think that you are un influenced even if you dont buy into something.
I don't think I disagree with you. Also, not exactly sure what verse he's referring to but "influence" is not the right word. I believe it says We are to be in the world (obviously, we live in it) but not of the world. In other words, our faith comes from the perspective that this world is temporary. We're not "of" it. And yes, on the outside we're influenced by our surroundings. Finances, quality of life, marketing, what we buy, how we live....all those physical aspects. That's why personally I believe Pepsi DESTROYS Coke.

I wasnt' directly quoting the Bible but more a or less paraphrasing it and you're right, I should have said it differently. By influence, I meant in a negative way. You shouldn't let the world influence you to compromise your faith or to let it tempt you to walk away from it.
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PostSubject: Re: Question for fellow christian metalheads.   Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:35 pm

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That's why personally I believe Pepsi DESTROYS Coke.

lol! I can always count on you guys to throw in funny lines like this for laughs.


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