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krokus
Metal is in my blood
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|  Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:37 pm | |
| | metalinmyveins wrote: | | krokus wrote: | They dont think for themselfs because they follow rules set by religion only (thanks to holy book, society/family education, church....). It so simple to understand i think. No more words are needed to explain. Religion is not a bad thing only in excess. Religion is necessary for a lot of people because they need the 10 commandments, if not they might KILL, but fear of god controls them and keeps them on the right track, that greattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt  |
But what is excess??? At what point is one thing too much, and who deems what and when that point comes to fruition? You could say the same thing about heavy metal, being on a computer, watching T.V, eating, in regards to excess. I'm not religious either (though probably spiritual), but your view points seem to be laced with stereotypes regarding those whose lives don't parallel that of your own.
I have a friend from high school (was probably my best friend during those days), who I barely recognize these days. His emotional growth has receded to the point that as a high school kid, he was more functional in his day to day life. His views on race, alternative life styles, politics, socio-economics and those who are different/or think differently from himself are not only sad, but are in some ways down right frightening. I suppose it's shocking from my standpoint when you witness someone who has gone backward in life rather than forward. If somebody doesn't share his view point, then he not only gets defensive about it, but down right confrontational. The funny thing is, I've never heard his parents view any of those same thoughts! |
I respect your opinion, but i dont agree. Nothing bad about that i think. You have your thoughts and i have mine about it. Thanks for telling me about your friend but thats not me at all, i dont get defensive, its just the way i see a lot of those religious people. I am not going to attack anybody only because they are different but i will give my opinion when i wanna give it of course, thats why we have this great forum and we speak with respect. Take care. |
| | | | exact33
The King
Number of posts: 15608
Age: 38
Registration date: 2007-02-10
| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:43 pm | |
| | krokus wrote: | | metalinmyveins wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | They dont think for themselfs because they follow rules set by religion only (thanks to holy book, society/family education, church....). It so simple to understand i think. No more words are needed to explain. Religion is not a bad thing only in excess. Religion is necessary for a lot of people because they need the 10 commandments, if not they might KILL, but fear of god controls them and keeps them on the right track, that greattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt |
But what is excess??? At what point is one thing too much, and who deems what and when that point comes to fruition? You could say the same thing about heavy metal, being on a computer, watching T.V, eating, in regards to excess. I'm not religious either (though probably spiritual), but your view points seem to be laced with stereotypes regarding those whose lives don't parallel that of your own.
I have a friend from high school (was probably my best friend during those days), who I barely recognize these days. His emotional growth has receded to the point that as a high school kid, he was more functional in his day to day life. His views on race, alternative life styles, politics, socio-economics and those who are different/or think differently from himself are not only sad, but are in some ways down right frightening. I suppose it's shocking from my standpoint when you witness someone who has gone backward in life rather than forward. If somebody doesn't share his view point, then he not only gets defensive about it, but down right confrontational. The funny thing is, I've never heard his parents view any of those same thoughts! |
I respect your opinion, but i dont agree. Nothing bad about that i think. You have your thoughts and i have mine about it. Thanks for telling me about your friend but thats not me at all, i dont get defensive, its just the way i see a lot of those religious people. I am not going to attack anybody only because they are different but i will give my opinion when i wanna give it of course, thats why we have this great forum and we speak with respect. Take care. |
coming in and saying religious people are sheep and dont think for themselves is attacking them. Its putting down an entire class of people._________________  |
| | | | krokus
Metal is in my blood
Number of posts: 3637
Age: 36
Registration date: 2007-02-15
| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:03 pm | |
| If telling my opinion is attacking them, well thats what you think. I dont agree. Interesting way of thinking by the way exact33 |
| | | | metalinmyveins
Heart of Metal
Number of posts: 1823
Age: 41
Registration date: 2008-06-10
| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:04 pm | |
| | krokus wrote: | | metalinmyveins wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | They dont think for themselfs because they follow rules set by religion only (thanks to holy book, society/family education, church....). It so simple to understand i think. No more words are needed to explain. Religion is not a bad thing only in excess. Religion is necessary for a lot of people because they need the 10 commandments, if not they might KILL, but fear of god controls them and keeps them on the right track, that greattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt |
But what is excess??? At what point is one thing too much, and who deems what and when that point comes to fruition? You could say the same thing about heavy metal, being on a computer, watching T.V, eating, in regards to excess. I'm not religious either (though probably spiritual), but your view points seem to be laced with stereotypes regarding those whose lives don't parallel that of your own.
I have a friend from high school (was probably my best friend during those days), who I barely recognize these days. His emotional growth has receded to the point that as a high school kid, he was more functional in his day to day life. His views on race, alternative life styles, politics, socio-economics and those who are different/or think differently from himself are not only sad, but are in some ways down right frightening. I suppose it's shocking from my standpoint when you witness someone who has gone backward in life rather than forward. If somebody doesn't share his view point, then he not only gets defensive about it, but down right confrontational. The funny thing is, I've never heard his parents view any of those same thoughts! |
I respect your opinion, but i dont agree. Nothing bad about that i think. You have your thoughts and i have mine about it. Thanks for telling me about your friend but thats not me at all, i dont get defensive, its just the way i see a lot of those religious people. I am not going to attack anybody only because they are different but i will give my opinion when i wanna give it of course, thats why we have this great forum and we speak with respect. Take care. |
Krokus, I will finish my thoughts with this. I guess my point is this, I believe it's dangerous to stereotype. We all have done it or continue to do it to this day. I just don't think it's healthy, if we as human beings paint with such a broad stroke regarding our opposing views. I don't believe anything good comes from doing this, as we ultimately offend those who think differently. I think it's fine to be diametrically opposed to someone else and their view point, as long as we don't lump in the minority and pretend that they are a majority.
I wasn't trying to lump you in with my friend, as he comes up in my mind when it comes to stereotyping. I certainly don't know you well enough outside of your thoughts on heavy metal and certain religious view points. I'm guessing there is much more to you as an individual outside of these two things. Regarding religion, it just seems like you're very set in your thoughts, and that you use words as "They" to describe an opposing view point. I guess that I just operate differently in that sense. Does "They" represent a person, a small contingent, half of the masses, the majority, or all of those within the religious realm? To me, that's why using words like "They" is sort of dangerous.
Anyhoo, those are my thoughts on the matter. Take care as well Krokus... |
| | | | krokus
Metal is in my blood
Number of posts: 3637
Age: 36
Registration date: 2007-02-15
| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:07 pm | |
| | metalinmyveins wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | metalinmyveins wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | They dont think for themselfs because they follow rules set by religion only (thanks to holy book, society/family education, church....). It so simple to understand i think. No more words are needed to explain. Religion is not a bad thing only in excess. Religion is necessary for a lot of people because they need the 10 commandments, if not they might KILL, but fear of god controls them and keeps them on the right track, that greattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt |
But what is excess??? At what point is one thing too much, and who deems what and when that point comes to fruition? You could say the same thing about heavy metal, being on a computer, watching T.V, eating, in regards to excess. I'm not religious either (though probably spiritual), but your view points seem to be laced with stereotypes regarding those whose lives don't parallel that of your own.
I have a friend from high school (was probably my best friend during those days), who I barely recognize these days. His emotional growth has receded to the point that as a high school kid, he was more functional in his day to day life. His views on race, alternative life styles, politics, socio-economics and those who are different/or think differently from himself are not only sad, but are in some ways down right frightening. I suppose it's shocking from my standpoint when you witness someone who has gone backward in life rather than forward. If somebody doesn't share his view point, then he not only gets defensive about it, but down right confrontational. The funny thing is, I've never heard his parents view any of those same thoughts! |
I respect your opinion, but i dont agree. Nothing bad about that i think. You have your thoughts and i have mine about it. Thanks for telling me about your friend but thats not me at all, i dont get defensive, its just the way i see a lot of those religious people. I am not going to attack anybody only because they are different but i will give my opinion when i wanna give it of course, thats why we have this great forum and we speak with respect. Take care. |
Krokus, I will finish my thoughts with this. I guess my point is this, I believe it's dangerous to stereotype. We all have done it or continue to do it to this day. I just don't think it's healthy, if we as human beings paint with such a broad stroke regarding our opposing views. I don't believe anything good comes from doing this, as we ultimately offend those who think differently. I think it's fine to be diametrically opposed to someone else and their view point, as long as we don't lump in the minority and pretend that they are a majority.
I wasn't trying to lump you in with my friend, as he comes up in my mind when it comes to stereotyping. I certainly don't know you well enough outside of your thoughts on heavy metal and certain religious view points. I'm guessing there is much more to you as an individual outside of these two things. Regarding religion, it just seems like you're very set in your thoughts, and that you use words as "They" to describe an opposing view point. I guess that I just operate differently in that sense. Does "They" represent a person, a small contingent, half of the masses, the majority, or all of those within the religious realm? To me, that's why using words like "They" is sort of dangerous.
Anyhoo, those are my thoughts on the matter. Take care as well Krokus... |
Its all good, i liked to read your posts and you explained your opinion very well, better then me for shore (i speak english a lot better then writing). |
| | | | metalinmyveins
Heart of Metal
Number of posts: 1823
Age: 41
Registration date: 2008-06-10
| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:15 pm | |
| | krokus wrote: | | metalinmyveins wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | metalinmyveins wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | They dont think for themselfs because they follow rules set by religion only (thanks to holy book, society/family education, church....). It so simple to understand i think. No more words are needed to explain. Religion is not a bad thing only in excess. Religion is necessary for a lot of people because they need the 10 commandments, if not they might KILL, but fear of god controls them and keeps them on the right track, that greattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt |
But what is excess??? At what point is one thing too much, and who deems what and when that point comes to fruition? You could say the same thing about heavy metal, being on a computer, watching T.V, eating, in regards to excess. I'm not religious either (though probably spiritual), but your view points seem to be laced with stereotypes regarding those whose lives don't parallel that of your own.
I have a friend from high school (was probably my best friend during those days), who I barely recognize these days. His emotional growth has receded to the point that as a high school kid, he was more functional in his day to day life. His views on race, alternative life styles, politics, socio-economics and those who are different/or think differently from himself are not only sad, but are in some ways down right frightening. I suppose it's shocking from my standpoint when you witness someone who has gone backward in life rather than forward. If somebody doesn't share his view point, then he not only gets defensive about it, but down right confrontational. The funny thing is, I've never heard his parents view any of those same thoughts! |
I respect your opinion, but i dont agree. Nothing bad about that i think. You have your thoughts and i have mine about it. Thanks for telling me about your friend but thats not me at all, i dont get defensive, its just the way i see a lot of those religious people. I am not going to attack anybody only because they are different but i will give my opinion when i wanna give it of course, thats why we have this great forum and we speak with respect. Take care. |
Krokus, I will finish my thoughts with this. I guess my point is this, I believe it's dangerous to stereotype. We all have done it or continue to do it to this day. I just don't think it's healthy, if we as human beings paint with such a broad stroke regarding our opposing views. I don't believe anything good comes from doing this, as we ultimately offend those who think differently. I think it's fine to be diametrically opposed to someone else and their view point, as long as we don't lump in the minority and pretend that they are a majority.
I wasn't trying to lump you in with my friend, as he comes up in my mind when it comes to stereotyping. I certainly don't know you well enough outside of your thoughts on heavy metal and certain religious view points. I'm guessing there is much more to you as an individual outside of these two things. Regarding religion, it just seems like you're very set in your thoughts, and that you use words as "They" to describe an opposing view point. I guess that I just operate differently in that sense. Does "They" represent a person, a small contingent, half of the masses, the majority, or all of those within the religious realm? To me, that's why using words like "They" is sort of dangerous.
Anyhoo, those are my thoughts on the matter. Take care as well Krokus... |
Its all good, i liked to read your posts and you explained your opinion very well, better then me for shore (i speak english a lot better then writing). |
Your English is fine Krokus. I only wish that I had as much command with a second language as you. I have great admiration for those who have taken the time out to learning someone else's native tongue. One day I will get back to learning French all over again! |
| | | | krokus
Metal is in my blood
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Registration date: 2007-02-15
| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:21 pm | |
| Thanks bro, i am happy you can understand my writing at least  . Yes, its nice to speak an other language. I am from Holland thats why it makes it not so hard to speak english but for Spanish people for exemple its a lot harder to speak good english, and for english to speak spanish too. Good luck with your French. |
| | | | metalinmyveins
Heart of Metal
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| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:27 pm | |
| | krokus wrote: | | Thanks bro, i am happy you can understand my writing at least . Yes, its nice to speak an other language. I am from Holland thats why it makes it not so hard to speak english but for Spanish people for exemple its a lot harder to speak good english, and for english to speak spanish too. Good luck with your French. |
What was the reason you learned a second language? Did it have anything to do with your love of metal music? Did you have parents that could speak English fluently?
**Regarding my French, I just need to take more time out to actually get invested in really learning the language. It's all about the time we set aside for certain ventures in life. |
| | | | kmorg
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| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:41 pm | |
| People in Holland learn English in school, same as us Norwegians. I don't think Spanish people do though, at least only in volunteering classes. _________________  |
| | | | exact33
The King
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| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:43 pm | |
| | krokus wrote: | | If telling my opinion is attacking them, well thats what you think. I dont agree. Interesting way of thinking by the way exact33 |
I would imagine that you would call someone racist or sexist if they were of the opinion that women were inferior or people of different colored skin were to be looked down upon. Their opinion does cause hurt and anger to those they are stereotyping. I think the same thing can be said in this instance - coming in and saying that those who are religious follow blindly and dont think for themselves is hardly accurate and perpetuates a stereotype. There are a lot of smart people who are religious.
as for Blackie (and being back on topic) if people dont like what he has to say, they can stop going to his shows. I really have no interest in Springsteen anymore because his ranting about how this world is screwed up because business, Republicans and anything else he doesnt like is evil.
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| | | | Eyesore
Metal is Forever
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| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:49 pm | |
| | krokus wrote: | | exact33 wrote: | | mr.electric39 wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | I liked him more before, today he is to influenced by religion and dont think for himself anymore. |
I would disagree.... He probably thinks more for himself know then going 'with the flow'.... |
plus this stereotype that if you are religious, you cant think for yourself is utter nonsense. Its an attempt by those who dont like religion to make generalizations and try to frame people in neat little categories. I believe in God but I dont take everything anyone says as truth - I do think for myself and when someone says something, I have to evaluate it. And that is the norm - not this silly idea that when someone in a position of leadership says something, everyone immediately agrees.
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Of course you have excepcions but most of the ULTRA-religious people dont think for themselfs, they follow blindly without thinking what they are telling them. If 95% are like that, you can generalize. You are the other 5% thats why dont feel ofended. |
I disagree. Those kinds of people do nothing but think for themselves. It's 100% selfishness.
And seriously, 95%? I would bet not even 50% are like that. Not even close, actually._________________ "Happy people have no stories" —Therapy? Shock Totem | The Eyesore Times | Getcha Rocks Off  
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| | | | metalinmyveins
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| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:50 pm | |
| | kmorg wrote: | | People in Holland learn English in school, same as us Norwegians. I don't think Spanish people do though, at least only in volunteering classes. |
I'm not surprised by this, as schools throughout Europe and I'm guessing Scandinavian countries for decades have stressed learning a second language. When I was in high school one could take Spanish or French, but many students took the required two years so they could graduate. I didn't know many people that took a foreign language beyond what was known as Spanish II or French II. Now of course schools within various parts of the U.S offer a variety of foreign languages which one can learn, and students seem to go beyond what they're required to take. |
| | | | exact33
The King
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| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:54 pm | |
| | metalinmyveins wrote: | | kmorg wrote: | | People in Holland learn English in school, same as us Norwegians. I don't think Spanish people do though, at least only in volunteering classes. |
I'm not surprised by this, as schools throughout Europe and I'm guessing Scandinavian countries for decades have stressed learning a second language. When I was in high school one could take Spanish or French, but many students took the required two years so they could graduate. I didn't know many people that took a foreign language beyond what was known as Spanish II or French II. Now of course schools within various parts of the U.S offer a variety of foreign languages which one can learn, and students seem to go beyond what they're required to take. |
we are homeschooling and the kids are learning spanish now in first grade._________________ |
| | | | krokus
Metal is in my blood
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| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:18 pm | |
| | exact33 wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | If telling my opinion is attacking them, well thats what you think. I dont agree. Interesting way of thinking by the way exact33 |
I would imagine that you would call someone racist or sexist if they were of the opinion that women were inferior or people of different colored skin were to be looked down upon. Their opinion does cause hurt and anger to those they are stereotyping. I think the same thing can be said in this instance - coming in and saying that those who are religious follow blindly and dont think for themselves is hardly accurate and perpetuates a stereotype. There are a lot of smart people who are religious.
as for Blackie (and being back on topic) if people dont like what he has to say, they can stop going to his shows. I really have no interest in Springsteen anymore because his ranting about how this world is screwed up because business, Republicans and anything else he doesnt like is evil.
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Dont get hurt, you are part of the 5% for shore, dont worry . Their are billions of people on earth and 5% is a lot lot of people, and the smart religious people you are talking about are also part of those 5%. |
| | | | exact33
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| | | | | krokus
Metal is in my blood
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Age: 36
Registration date: 2007-02-15
| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:48 pm | |
| | exact33 wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | exact33 wrote: | | krokus wrote: | | If telling my opinion is attacking them, well thats what you think. I dont agree. Interesting way of thinking by the way exact33 |
I would imagine that you would call someone racist or sexist if they were of the opinion that women were inferior or people of different colored skin were to be looked down upon. Their opinion does cause hurt and anger to those they are stereotyping. I think the same thing can be said in this instance - coming in and saying that those who are religious follow blindly and dont think for themselves is hardly accurate and perpetuates a stereotype. There are a lot of smart people who are religious.
as for Blackie (and being back on topic) if people dont like what he has to say, they can stop going to his shows. I really have no interest in Springsteen anymore because his ranting about how this world is screwed up because business, Republicans and anything else he doesnt like is evil.
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Dont get hurt, you are part of the 5% for shore, dont worry . Their are billions of people on earth and 5% is a lot lot of people, and the smart religious people you are talking about are also part of those 5%. |
i guess stereotypes are true sometimes... |
If you think so. I dont feel offended by your words at all but only because i have a different opinion from yours somebody is not a stereotype. Good night. |
| | | | 325ad
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| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:36 pm | |
| | ultmetal wrote: | | Saw that on Blabbermouth. The blabberjerks are all over him about it over there, like he committed some crime against humanity for "forcing" people to listen to his minute long prayer. Good for Blackie. It's nice to see guys like him, with a reputation for being a jerk, stand up for what he believes and also show some compassion. |
+1 |
| | | | exact33
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| | Subject: Re: The change in Blackie Lawless Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:13 pm | |
| | 325ad wrote: | | ultmetal wrote: | | Saw that on Blabbermouth. The blabberjerks are all over him about it over there, like he committed some crime against humanity for "forcing" people to listen to his minute long prayer. Good for Blackie. It's nice to see guys like him, with a reputation for being a jerk, stand up for what he believes and also show some compassion. |
+1 |
I enjoy the seeing the hypocrisy of metalheads who take pride in bucking the system and then complain when the system bucks them._________________ |
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