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GrandNational
Metal is in my blood
Number of posts: 3385
Age: 32
Registration date: 2007-01-30
 |  Subject: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:02 am | |
| Interesting list, not sure if I care or agree: http://flavorwire.com/219132/10-of-rock-n-rolls-most-overrated-lyricists |
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tohostudios
King Of Kaiju
Number of posts: 15361
Age: 51
Registration date: 2008-02-07
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:10 am | |
| I definitely agree with Jim Morrison.
I'm not really a lyrics person unless there's a great turn of phrase (a la Jethro Tull) or if something really annoys me (like the Doors).
Not only do Morrison's lyrics usually make no sense, they're also often grammatically incorrect which annoys me to no end. Lyrics like "you know they are a liar" just totally grate on my nerves.
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exact33
The King
Number of posts: 15608
Age: 38
Registration date: 2007-02-10
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:12 am | |
| | tohostudios wrote: | I definitely agree with Jim Morrison.
I'm not really a lyrics person unless there's a great turn of phrase (a la Jethro Tull) or if something really annoys me (like the Doors).
Not only do Morrison's lyrics usually make no sense, they're also often grammatically incorrect which annoys me to no end. Lyrics like "you know they are a liar" just totally grate on my nerves. |
I totally agree with that one too plus the Robert Plant._________________  |
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S.D.
Administrator
Number of posts: 12392
Age: 41
Registration date: 2008-07-12
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:26 am | |
| It's all according to the perspective of the listener. It's all opinion. One person will think a lyric is sheer genius and the guy next to him will be rolling on the floor laughing at the stupidity of it all.
That's why I never even think about or compare lyricists, it just starts arguments and I don't need to waste my time on those.
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exact33
The King
Number of posts: 15608
Age: 38
Registration date: 2007-02-10
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:30 am | |
| | S.D. wrote: | It's all according to the perspective of the listener. It's all opinion. One person will think a lyric is sheer genius and the guy next to him will be rolling on the floor laughing at the stupidity of it all.
That's why I never even think about or compare lyricists, it just starts arguments and I don't need to waste my time on those.
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S.D.
Administrator
Number of posts: 12392
Age: 41
Registration date: 2008-07-12
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:01 am | |
| I find it easier to critique musical elements than lyrics, simply because I know more about that part of it. Lyrics have never been an important part to me...unless they are so stupid that they distract from the music. _________________ |
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Hadley
Metal student
Number of posts: 143
Age: 32
Registration date: 2010-11-11
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:09 am | |
| You're going to hate me for this, but to be honest a lot of dio lyrics (mainly dio solo) were pretty much "word salad" lyrics. I mean, trying to decipher the meaning of songs like holy diver or the last in line could drive one mad. Good thing he had a killer voice and can pull those lyrics off. R.I.P. Ronnie |
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GrandNational
Metal is in my blood
Number of posts: 3385
Age: 32
Registration date: 2007-01-30
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:29 am | |
| | Hadley wrote: | | You're going to hate me for this, but to be honest a lot of dio lyrics (mainly dio solo) were pretty much "word salad" lyrics. I mean, trying to decipher the meaning of songs like holy diver or the last in line could drive one mad. Good thing he had a killer voice and can pull those lyrics off. R.I.P. Ronnie |
Totally agree with you. How many songs can include the words whips, chains, heaven, hell, rock, roll, magic, dark, heart, evil, sacred, etc.,? Over and over again from song to song with meaningless dribble. Like you said, at least his voice covered his lack of lyrical prowess. |
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manny
mini boss
Number of posts: 13998
Age: 42
Registration date: 2008-08-05
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:33 am | |
| I love Jim Morrison's lyrics personally and I think they were well written, I even like the lyrics to Light My Fire and he didn't write that one aside from one line. |
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ultmetal
Administrator
Number of posts: 16193
Age: 45
Registration date: 2007-01-04
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:55 am | |
| | GrandNational wrote: | | Hadley wrote: | | You're going to hate me for this, but to be honest a lot of dio lyrics (mainly dio solo) were pretty much "word salad" lyrics. I mean, trying to decipher the meaning of songs like holy diver or the last in line could drive one mad. Good thing he had a killer voice and can pull those lyrics off. R.I.P. Ronnie |
Totally agree with you. How many songs can include the words whips, chains, heaven, hell, rock, roll, magic, dark, heart, evil, sacred, etc.,? Over and over again from song to song with meaningless dribble. Like you said, at least his voice covered his lack of lyrical prowess. |
But that was the beauty of Dio lyrics. They really didn't have a meaning. Any meaning derived were from the listener. It was just a mastery of rhyming and 'dark sounding' words and phrases.
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S.D.
Administrator
Number of posts: 12392
Age: 41
Registration date: 2008-07-12
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:20 am | |
| you forgot to mention the word "rainbow" which shows up about a zillion times.
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GrandNational
Metal is in my blood
Number of posts: 3385
Age: 32
Registration date: 2007-01-30
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:31 am | |
| | S.D. wrote: | you forgot to mention the word "rainbow" which shows up about a zillion times.
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And "mountain", how could I forget that one? |
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GrandNational
Metal is in my blood
Number of posts: 3385
Age: 32
Registration date: 2007-01-30
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:37 am | |
| | ultmetal wrote: | | GrandNational wrote: | | Hadley wrote: | | You're going to hate me for this, but to be honest a lot of dio lyrics (mainly dio solo) were pretty much "word salad" lyrics. I mean, trying to decipher the meaning of songs like holy diver or the last in line could drive one mad. Good thing he had a killer voice and can pull those lyrics off. R.I.P. Ronnie |
Totally agree with you. How many songs can include the words whips, chains, heaven, hell, rock, roll, magic, dark, heart, evil, sacred, etc.,? Over and over again from song to song with meaningless dribble. Like you said, at least his voice covered his lack of lyrical prowess. |
But that was the beauty of Dio lyrics. They really didn't have a meaning. Any meaning derived were from the listener. It was just a mastery of rhyming and 'dark sounding' words and phrases. |
Scott, we all know that there's a truth that's hard as steel, and that life's a never ending wheel. Between the velvet lies, the vision never dies my friend.
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Troublezone
Dog Will Hunt!
Number of posts: 9880
Age: 36
Registration date: 2007-01-29
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:56 am | |
| Speaking of meaningless word-play... Kurt Cobain takes the cake. |
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ProgDoom
Metal novice
Number of posts: 33
Age: 21
Registration date: 2011-07-24
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:30 pm | |
| | Troublezone wrote: | | Speaking of meaningless word-play... Kurt Cobain takes the cake. |
Nirvana sucks bottom line. |
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Sutekh
Metal master
Number of posts: 993
Age: 39
Registration date: 2008-05-22
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:10 am | |
| Dylan? Really? Out of the hundreds of songs he's written, they're gonna pick on one?  Guess I'm just one of those orthodox people they mention! |
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sheets
Metal master
Number of posts: 597
Age: 36
Registration date: 2009-04-08
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:10 am | |
| | GrandNational wrote: | Scott, we all know that there's a truth that's hard as steel, and that life's a never ending wheel. Between the velvet lies, the vision never dies my friend.
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http://www.themetallian.com/metallian/metal/generators/diolyrics |
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GrandNational
Metal is in my blood
Number of posts: 3385
Age: 32
Registration date: 2007-01-30
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Mglaffas81
Heart of Metal
Number of posts: 1980
Age: 28
Registration date: 2007-11-25
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:13 pm | |
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I didn't know over half of those names...
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exact33
The King
Number of posts: 15608
Age: 38
Registration date: 2007-02-10
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:16 pm | |
| | Mglaffas81 wrote: |
I didn't know over half of those names... |
me neither but there are a good number of overrated old lyricists to go around.._________________ |
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James B.
Scurvy Skalliwag
Number of posts: 5498
Age: 47
Registration date: 2008-02-10
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:31 pm | |
| I kinda/sorta wonder how one would judge the lyrics of a death metal band w/out reading the words off the insert. _________________  |
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ProgDoom
Metal novice
Number of posts: 33
Age: 21
Registration date: 2011-07-24
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:45 pm | |
| What do they mean Jim Morrison? Jim was amazing! |
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jstate
Heart of Metal
Number of posts: 1844
Age: 39
Registration date: 2007-10-03
| | Subject: Re: Most overrated Lyricists Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:18 pm | |
| For me it is Manzarek, Densmore, and Krieger that made The Doors great. As Morrison maybe overrated, they are underrated even more.
And where is Elvis Costello on that list?
Funny thing is when I first saw the title to this thread I was all ready to go off on my dislike for Jay-Z as a "lyricist". |
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That was pure genius. Love it! Proves my point.