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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:02 am

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I couldn't resist anymore... I simply had to write a HubPage about the Queensryche drama. I titled it "Meet the New Queensryche -- Both of them!"

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Good read ! You captured the drama perfectly.
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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:32 am

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Fat Freddy wrote:
I couldn't resist anymore... I simply had to write a HubPage about the Queensryche drama. I titled it "Meet the New Queensryche -- Both of them!"

http://fatfreddyscat.hubpages.com/t/331e46


Good read ! You captured the drama perfectly.

Thanx dude. I've been planning on doing a Queensryche piece ever since the "Rising West" thing first blew up but since events kept getting weirder, I never found the right time to sit down and do it. When Geoff Tate announced his Super Friends lineup over the weekend I said "that's it, I gotta do it now." Laughing very hard

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:36 am

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007 wrote:
Fat Freddy wrote:
I couldn't resist anymore... I simply had to write a HubPage about the Queensryche drama. I titled it "Meet the New Queensryche -- Both of them!"

http://fatfreddyscat.hubpages.com/t/331e46


Good read ! You captured the drama perfectly.

Thanx dude. I've been planning on doing a Queensryche piece ever since the "Rising West" thing first blew up but since events kept getting weirder, I never found the right time to sit down and do it. When Geoff Tate announced his Super Friends lineup over the weekend I said "that's it, I gotta do it now." Laughing very hard

Kelly Gray and Glen Drover - the "wonder twins"
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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:03 am

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Kelly Gray and Glen Drover - the "wonder twins"

"Wonder Twin Powers - ACTIVATE! Form of -- Chris DeGarmo! Form of -- Michael Wilton!"

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:22 am

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thejokeriv wrote:

Kelly Gray and Glen Drover - the "wonder twins"

"Wonder Twin Powers - ACTIVATE! Form of -- Chris DeGarmo! Form of -- Michael Wilton!"

Laughing very hard

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:48 am

When I saw the lineup announcement my first thought was; who the hell is Glen Drover and Kelly Gray? Then I looked it up and realized guitarists on mediocre Queensryche and Megadeth albums...no wonder I didn't know their names.

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:56 am

Kelly Gray is also a producer, he's worked with Candlebox (!) and produced Dokken's Shadowlife album.

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:01 pm

I only knew of Kelly Gray as a producer. I had no idea he was a guitar player too.
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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:09 pm

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Kelly Gray is also a producer, he's worked with Candlebox (!) and produced Dokken's Shadowlife album.



That's not encouraging.
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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:15 pm

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I only knew of Kelly Gray as a producer. I had no idea he was a guitar player too.

He produced and played on Queensryche's Q2K album. I saw him live with them in 2000...his style did not blend well with the older material.

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:17 pm

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Kelly Gray is also a producer, he's worked with Candlebox (!) and produced Dokken's Shadowlife album.



That's not encouraging.

It wasn't intended to be encouraging. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:36 pm

He was also in Scott Rockenfeld's side-project, Slave To The System.

And didn't Gray have something to do with Sweaty Nipples?

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:52 pm

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And didn't Gray have something to do with Sweaty Nipples?

Thats possible. He is a little on the heavy side, isn't he? Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:03 pm

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And didn't Gray have something to do with Sweaty Nipples?
Thats possible. He is a little on the heavy side, isn't he? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:23 pm

http://klaq.com/which-version-of-queensryche-is-the-most-interesting-to-you/

The fans have spoken.

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:31 pm

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http://klaq.com/which-version-of-queensryche-is-the-most-interesting-to-you/

The fans have spoken.

...and eight percent of them are saying "Where the hell is Chris DeGarmo?" lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:05 pm

It is silly for Geoff Tate to insist he is Queensryche, if anyone could have laid claims to the name it would have been Chris DeGarmo, but he chose to walk away and even sold his percentage of the name back in the band, Tate should have taken lessons from his old friend, instead of turning both his own name and his band's name to sause.
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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:12 am

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NIGHT RANGER guitarist Brad Gillis has recorded a guest solo on a track on the new album from the Geoff Tate-fronted version of QUEENSRŸCHE, due later in the year via the Los Angeles-based independent label Cleopatra Records. Tate says: "Brad is an amazing player and completely shredded through the entire track."

Although a lineup for Tate's QUEENSRŸCHE was originally announced in the fall of 2012, things have changed. The band will now feature Tate along with bassist Rudy Sarzo (OZZY OSBOURNE, DIO, WHITESNAKE, QUIET RIOT), guitarist Kelly Gray (QUEENSRŸCHE 1998-2001), keyboardist Randy Gane and new additions, guitarist Robert Sarzo (QUIET RIOT, HURRICANE) and drummer Simon Wright (AC/DC, DIO, RHINO BUCKET).

Wright takes over for previously announced drummer Bobby Blotzer, who will be returning to RATT as an integral part of the band that made him famous.

"I'm very much looking forward to being involved in the QUEENSRŸCHE project with Geoff," stated Wright. "I've always admired his singing and songwriting and working with Rudy Sarzo again is going to be cool! Between this and my other project, DIO DISCIPLES, I look forward to a very busy year!"

Other guest musicians on the new album from the Geoff Tate-fronted version of QUEENSRŸCHE include legendary guitar slinger K.K. Downing of JUDAS PRIEST, KING'S X guitarist Ty Tabor and Blotzer.

Tabor comments, "I'm very happy that Geoff considered me for this record. It will be great to play with all of these great musicians."

Beginning in early April, Tate's QUEENSRŸCHE will be hitting the road to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the band's epic 1988 release, "Operation: Mindcrime", performing all fifteen songs from the album along with other well-known hits and rarities from the catalog they've compiled over the past 30 years.

"I try to surround myself with the best players available and feel our longtime fans deserve nothing less," says Tate. "I expect the forthcoming effort to be one of our best yet."

Tate, who was fired from QUEENSRŸCHE in June 2012 after fronting the group for three decades, last year sought to prevent his former bandmates from touring and operating under the QUEENSRŸCHE name without him. While ruling against Tate, the presiding judge determined that there was no legal hurdle in Tate also using the name with an all-new lineup of musicians. "I don't see any reason that Mr. Tate can't have the benefit, if he gets other members, of whatever name he uses of using the brand," Superior Court Judge Carol A. Schapira said during the July 13, 2012 court hearing. "I think [doing that would be] inherently confusing, although I'm sure the market can get these things sorted out," she added.

Last November, Tate released his first solo CD in over a decade titled "Kings & Thieves" (InsideOut Music) and toured with his solo band in support of the CD, which included dates with the legendary ALICE COOPER.
You know what he's doing, right? Gathering a bunch of "name" musicians for his band, then bringing on a bunch of "name" guests. He's also going to release this before the other guys release their album. Guaranteed.

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:18 am

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It is silly for Geoff Tate to insist he is Queensryche, if anyone could have laid claims to the name it would have been Chris DeGarmo, but he chose to walk away and even sold his percentage of the name back in the band, Tate should have taken lessons from his old friend, instead of turning both his own name and his band's name to sause.

See, I don't think any single person can say THEY are Queensryche. Queensryche was the result of the chemistry between two, at times three, people...DeGarmo, Tate, Wilton. DeGarmo may have been a rudder, but without Tate and/or Wilton in the mix those early albums would not have been what they were. They both contributed tons...look at the writing credits.

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:31 am

Some have more of a claim than others.

I think "Chris DeGarmo's QUEENSRYCHE" makes more sense than Geoff Tate's, Michael Wilton's, or Eddie Jackson's.
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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:47 am

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Some have more of a claim than others.

I think "Chris DeGarmo's QUEENSRYCHE" makes more sense than Geoff Tate's, Michael Wilton's, or Eddie Jackson's.
Can't argue with that.

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:48 am

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manny wrote:
It is silly for Geoff Tate to insist he is Queensryche, if anyone could have laid claims to the name it would have been Chris DeGarmo, but he chose to walk away and even sold his percentage of the name back in the band, Tate should have taken lessons from his old friend, instead of turning both his own name and his band's name to sause.

See, I don't think any single person can say THEY are Queensryche. Queensryche was the result of the chemistry between two, at times three, people...DeGarmo, Tate, Wilton. DeGarmo may have been a rudder, but without Tate and/or Wilton in the mix those early albums would not have been what they were. They both contributed tons...look at the writing credits.


I don't disagree with your point. Actually I 100% agree, I am a fan of those early albums, even albums after DeGarmo left, but to see a band I once loved turned into a soap opera, is pretty disappointing.

I of course do not know the man, but seeing the statements and the behaviour of Geoff Tate has been a let down. I also figured he was one of the classier guys in the hard rock world, not some petty bully.

As the old saying goes " trust the art not the artist"
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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:02 am

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Some have more of a claim than others.

I think "Chris DeGarmo's QUEENSRYCHE" makes more sense than Geoff Tate's, Michael Wilton's, or Eddie Jackson's.

If anyone cares, here's the 5 classic albums songwriting breakdown according to Allmusic.com. I don't have the CDs in front of me to verify, but here's how it fleshes out among 42 songs:

DeGarmo ONLY - 11
Best I Can - DeGarmo
Silent Lucidity - DeGarmo
Queen of the Reich - DeGarmo
Prophecy - DeGarmo
I Remember Now - DeGarmo
Anarchy-X - DeGarmo
The Mission - DeGarmo
Waiting for 22 - DeGarmo
En Force - DeGarmo
The Whisper - DeGarmo
I Will Remember - DeGarmo

DGarmo/Tate/Wilton COMBO - 6
The Thin Line - Degarmo, Tate, Wilton
Hand on Heart - Degarmo, Tate, Wilton
Operation: Mindcrime - Degarmo, Tate, Wilton
Roads to Madness - Degarmo, Tate, Wilton
London - DeGarmo, Tate, Wilton
Screaming in Digital - DeGarmo, Tate, Wilton

Tate ONLY - 4 (need to verify w/ CD credits)
Jet City Woman - Tate
Warning - Tate
Take Hold of the Flame - Tate
Child of Fire - Tate

Tate/Wilton COMBO - 11
Resistance - Tate, Wilton
Empire - Tate, Wilton
Revolution Calling - Tate, Wilton
Speak - Tate, Wilton
Spreading the Disease - Tate, Wilton
The Needle Lies - Tate, Wilton
My Empty Room - Tate, Wilton
Before the Storm - Tate, Wilton
Walk in the Shadows - Tate, Wilton
I Dream in Infrared - Tate, Wilton
Chemical Youth (We Are Rebellion) - Tate, Wilton

DeGarmo/Wilton COMBO - 3
One and Only - DeGarmo, Wilton
Nightrider - DeGarmo, Wilton
Blinded - DeGarmo, Wilton

Other - 6
Della Brown - DeGarmo, Tate, Rockenfield
Another Rainy Night (Without You) - DeGarmo, Tate, Jackson
Electric Requiem - Tate, Rockenfield
Deliverance - no credit listed
N M 156 - no credit listed
Gonna Get Close to You - cover song


Credit Percentage (counted if their name appears in the writing credit at all)
DeGarmo - 52% - 22 of 42
Tate - 57% - 24 of 42
Wilton - 47%- 20 of 42
Rockenfield - 4% -2 of 42
Jackson - 2% - 1 of 42


NOTES
DeGarmo wrote more songs on his own than anyone
Tate has his name appear in credits more than anyone
Even split between DeGarmo ONLY (11) and Tate/Wilton COMBO (11)

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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:29 am

Shawn Of Fire wrote:
If anyone cares, here's the 5 classic albums songwriting breakdown according to Allmusic.com. I don't have the CDs in front of me to verify, but here's how it fleshes out among 42 songs:

It looks like you don't have the DeGarmo/Tate collaborations. Here's the list going by the credits on Wikipedia, which is probably more accurate than Allmusic.

DeGarmo only - 10 songs
Queen of the Reich
Prophecy
En Force
The Whisper
I Will Remember
Anarchy-X
The Mission
Waiting for 22
Best I Can
Silent Lucidity

DeGarmo/Wilton - 4 songs
Nightrider
Blinded
Surgical Strike
One and Only

DeGarmo/Tate - 11 songs
The Lady Wore Black
No Sanctuary
Take Hold of the Flame
The Killing Words
Neue Regel
Suite Sister Mary
Breaking the Silence
I Don't Believe in Love
Eyes of a Stranger
Jet City Woman
Anybody Listening?

Tate/Wilton - 12 songs
Warning
Before the Storm
Child of Fire
I Dream in Infrared
Chemical Youth (We Are Rebellion)
Revolution Calling
Speak
Spreading the Disease
The Needle Lies
My Empty Room
Empire
Resistance

DeGarmo/Tate/Wilton - 9 songs
NM 156
Roads to Madness
Walk in the Shadows
London
Screaming in Digital
I Remember Now
Operation: Mindcrime
The Thin Line
Hand on Heart

Other - 5 songs
Deliverance - Wilton
Gonna Get Close to You - cover
Electric Requiem - Rockenfield, Tate
Della Brown - DeGarmo, Rockenfield, Tate
Another Rainy Night (Without You) - DeGarmo, Jackson, Tate

Credit Percentage
DeGarmo - 36/51 (69%)
Tate - 35/51 (69%)
Wilton - 26/51 (51%)
Rockenfield - 2/51 (4%)
Jackson - 1/51 (2%)
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PostSubject: Re: Geoff Tate's QUEENSRYCHE   Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:25 am

Tate solely wrote one QR song: "Convict." All 8 music-free seconds.

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