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Was el Duce involved?
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It is within the realm of possibility
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Don't believe el Duce did it, but I am pretty sure it was not suicide
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PostSubject: Believe it or No?   Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:14 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:20 pm

Last option needed. "Who gives a shit?"

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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:25 pm

S.D. wrote:
Last option needed. †"Who gives a shit?"


"Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding...."

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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:46 pm

tohostudios wrote:
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Last option needed. †"Who gives a shit?"


"Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding...."

yep. I agree with SD on this one.

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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:13 am

Yet the Eddie Trunk thread has 128 posts.... now I remember.
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:59 am

I could care less about Eddie Trunk as well. †Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:53 am

So just don't shove your big ol' momm-sister-auntie's West Virginia opinion into something you don't give a damn about then. I'd post Vera Cruz Hillbillies shooting up the place right now, pu I will bring it on home instead..












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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:27 am

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So just don't shove your big ol' momm-sister-auntie's West Virginia opinion into something you don't give a damn about then. †I'd post Vera Cruz Hillbillies shooting up the place right now, pu I will bring it on home instead..













I didn't understand any of that!!†lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:45 am

I saw this documentry used to have it on VHS I think its possible, I do think its suspicious that his body was found just days after that interview too. However the argument that there was no way he could have shot himself due to the amt of drugs in his system is moot because he had been using for awhile I think he had built a tolerance. So I can go either way It wouldnt surprise me if he was murdered but also wouldnt surprise me if it was suicide (Kurt's family had a history of it)

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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:54 am

Thx Addy. Pretty sure this is why I made this Room back in the day. If you remember, I initially wanted to call it "The W.A.R.-Free Room". A sanctuary for everything not related to GnR.
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:00 am

I would never have anyone murdered, but if I did, I don't think that I'd spend 50 grand on hiring a brain dead bigmouth who loves to talk to anyone who'll listen. I would imagine that if there was the faintest shred of truth in any of this, the police would have spoken to Mr Douche pretty rapidly as they tend to be a bit like that.
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:03 am

Nope Cant say I do remember but sometimes I dont even remember what day it is Smile

There was a period of time where I loved Nirvana hardcore fan, I still enjoy them, I thought the documentry was decent its been a long time since ive seen it.
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:33 am

I just saw this documentary about a week ago on Netflix. El Duce's segment was the lone highlight, the rest of the movie was.... zzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

But seriously: I'm with Boris2008, if I were Courtney Love and I was going to hire someone to kill Kurt, El Duce is just about the LAST guy I would call.

The dude was a raging alcoholic/drug addict who could barely dress himself, or (as this film shows) keep his mouth shut...not exactly the kind of criminal mastermind you'd want to commit a celebrity murder for you.

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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:46 am

Wow, this is something I have no real opinion on it. I never saw the documentary so I can't go from that, Freddy and Boris make valid points, and it just seems that any "name" person dies (celebrity,politican,etc.) and there's a conspiracy behind it. So, I'll just shrug my shoulders and say anything's possible
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:14 am

I find myself wanting to punch Nick Broomfield (and I liked the Biggie & Tupac doc he did). Just something about that guy. Even worse than the accusing Love of murdering her husband was Broomfield acting like some martyr because she got MTV to pull out funding and wouldn't license the music. Actually made me feel somewhat sorry for Love. Cobain wrote a song and wanted to title the album "I Hate Myself And Want To Die", and he had massive drug and emotional issues. I don't think a complicated plot would have been needed to see him dead. By all accounts it was a miracle he didn't die long before his suicide.

I'll also add In Utero is a work of genius. In a just world it would have surpassed Nevermind.
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:57 pm

He had OD' on many occassions where Courtney Love would have to get his heart going again (in the book Heavier than Heaven) , He originally wanted to call In Utero "I Hate Myself And Want to Die" he did record a song with that title I think it was on the beavis & butthead compilation.

I found In Utero to be ok... some great songs on there, Nevermind was decent but I think their best at least IMO was Bleach
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:00 pm

I vote no. Cobain washed his mouth out with buckshot. End of story.
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:55 pm

It's definitely sad that everyone in that circle was in such a situation where something like that could be plausible, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:29 pm

Courtney was also in rehab during this time period. I remember reading that the last time Krist Novoselic saw him that they had a fight, more like a wrestling match something about him going to Rehab I dont remember the details exactly I also think that was in Heavier than Heaven too
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:30 pm

Would anyone be surprised if this were true?

What is this "documentary," though? If that clip is anything to go by, whoever put it together has no idea how to film or interview.

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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:15 am

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they had a fight, more like a wrestling match something about him going to Rehab I dont remember the details exactly

The whole intervention thing with Kurt was pretty bad. The band's management and business people were more interested in getting Kurt to agree to do Lollapalozza than they were getting him clean and healthy. Krist apparently tried to pull him aside after that debacle but it got ugly. Long before this their friendship had pretty much crumbled. There had been a push (lead by Love) to cut them (Krist and Dave) out of ownership and royalties and make them mere employees instead of band members.

The other thing was Kurt was basically hiding out his last days. In Nirvana - The Biography there is a very creepy description of some house sitting guests watching the place knowing that the missing Kurt is hiding somewhere in the house. It's like he's a ghost or something.

It should also be pointed out the many accusations that Love was carrying on an affair with Billy Corgan at this time too.


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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:17 pm

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So just don't shove your big ol' momm-sister-auntie's West Virginia opinion into something you don't give a damn about then. †I'd post Vera Cruz Hillbillies shooting up the place right now, pu I will bring it on home instead..

Wow - What the hell was this drunken fool even thinking when he posted this??? Sorry, detuned. You know me [meh/ugh-slash puking emoticon].
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:46 pm

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they had a fight, more like a wrestling match something about him going to Rehab I dont remember the details exactly

The whole intervention thing with Kurt was pretty bad. †The band's management and business people were more interested in getting Kurt to agree to do Lollapalozza than they were getting him clean and healthy. †Krist apparently tried to pull him aside after that debacle but it got ugly. †Long before this their friendship had pretty much crumbled. †There had been a push (lead by Love) to cut them (Krist and Dave) out of ownership and royalties and make them mere employees instead of band members.

The other thing was Kurt was basically hiding out his last days. †In Nirvana - The Biography there is a very creepy description of some house sitting guests watching the place knowing that the missing Kurt is hiding somewhere in the house. †It's like he's a ghost or something.

It should also be pointed out the many accusations that Love was carrying on an affair with Billy Corgan at this time too.



The Nirvana biography was that the one written by Everett True? Ive read that one.... the only bit here you posted I didnt know was the last bit about Courtney and Billy Corgan. Also from my reading everything was falling apart for Kurt very errie indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:05 am

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What is this "documentary," though? If that clip is anything to go by, whoever put it together has no idea how to film or interview.


It's called "Kurt and Courtney," a mostly pointless, no-budget "doc" by Nick Broomfield, a British journalist.

Nick is apparently quite sure that Courtney Love had Kurt murdered.

Unfortunately he can't get anybody from within the Nirvana "camp" (i.e. band mates, record company people, management, etc.) to talk to him about it... so the movie is basically him and a camera man driving aimlessly around Aberdeen (Kurt's home town) and Seattle talking to a bunch of drugged out wackos with tenuous (at best) connections to Kurt and/or Nirvana for about 90 minutes.

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PostSubject: Re: Believe it or No?   Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:36 pm

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Eyesore wrote:


What is this "documentary," though? If that clip is anything to go by, whoever put it together has no idea how to film or interview.


It's called "Kurt and Courtney," a mostly pointless, no-budget "doc" by Nick Broomfield, a British journalist.

Nick is apparently quite sure that Courtney Love had Kurt murdered.

Unfortunately he can't get anybody from within the Nirvana "camp" (i.e. band mates, record company people, management, etc.) to talk to him about it... so the movie is basically him and a camera man driving aimlessly around Aberdeen (Kurt's home town) and Seattle talking to a bunch of drugged out wackos with tenuous (at best) connections to Kurt and/or Nirvana for about 90 minutes.

just because of who they are,and if they are addicts, should not discount any truth they reveal that everyone else is afraid to talk about.

No idea if THIS story is true, but find it strange I never heard a major backlash against it in the press from the Nirvana "camp" to clear Courtney.
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