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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:03 am

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And not true about every band does things for money. Not in the context you're saying anyways. I don't see megadeth changing their whole style of music just to get rich. Never heard an Overkill ballad yet. Still waiting for that rap metal album from slayer.

Megadeth didn't change their sound at any point? Are You kidding me? Metallica's Black album was the blue print for more than a few bands in the thrash genre changing something on their next effort. Megadeth's "Countdown to Extinction" was most definitely a huge departure from "Rust In Peace" and one could say the band didn't get back to a thrash sound until "The System Has Failed". Hell, look no further than Bud Prager's influence on "Risk". He had a handful of writing credits and was a co-manager of Bad Company and Foreigner (along with being a former member).

Then you have Overkill's "I Hear Black" (1993). This album was definitely in response to the success of the black album. Here is a quote from Blitz: "On I HEAR BLACK [1993], we tried to go the other way and were kind of left with a directionless record and it probably clutched onto this since." -http://www.metal-rules.com/metalnews/2005/07/28/overkill-vocalist-bobby-blitz-ellsworth/

For whatever reasons "The Ritual" by Testament was conceptualized, it certainly pales in comparison to anything the band wrote previously. How ironic that it was written in 1992, a year after the Black album.

Let's move on to Anthrax's "Sound of White Noise". That album also sounds NOTHING like any regarding their previous efforts. That album came out in 1993. It's stylistically incompatible with the rest of their catalogue, though an album I enjoy.

Then you have Exodus'  "Force of Habit", which debuted in 1992. The band doesn't even play anything off that album anymore and haven't for a very long time and the reasons are obvious.

You also have Suicidal Tendencies "Art of Rebellion" (1992), which got away from what was clearly a thrash metal direction with the bands two previous efforts.

It doesn't even really matter why bands changed their sound after Metallica's Black album, whether it was only one record or multiple records, as the reverberations were felt from the success of Metallica in 1991. Whether bands willingly tried to piggyback on the success of Metallica or whether record companies were the impetus behind those albums, it came down to the almighty dollar!


I agree with this, except for your opinion on Art of Rebellion. I don't think that's a departure at all from what they were doing. There is still plenty of thrash elements on this album.

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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:50 am

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And not true about every band does things for money. Not in the context you're saying anyways. I don't see megadeth changing their whole style of music just to get rich. Never heard an Overkill ballad yet. Still waiting for that rap metal album from slayer.

Megadeth didn't change their sound at any point? Are You kidding me? Metallica's Black album was the blue print for more than a few bands in the thrash genre changing something on their next effort. Megadeth's "Countdown to Extinction" was most definitely a huge departure from "Rust In Peace" and one could say the band didn't get back to a thrash sound until "The System Has Failed". Hell, look no further than Bud Prager's influence on "Risk". He had a handful of writing credits and was a co-manager of Bad Company and Foreigner (along with being a former member).

Then you have Overkill's "I Hear Black" (1993). This album was definitely in response to the success of the black album. Here is a quote from Blitz: "On I HEAR BLACK [1993], we tried to go the other way and were kind of left with a directionless record and it probably clutched onto this since." -http://www.metal-rules.com/metalnews/2005/07/28/overkill-vocalist-bobby-blitz-ellsworth/

For whatever reasons "The Ritual" by Testament was conceptualized, it certainly pales in comparison to anything the band wrote previously. How ironic that it was written in 1992, a year after the Black album.

Let's move on to Anthrax's "Sound of White Noise". That album also sounds NOTHING like any regarding their previous efforts. That album came out in 1993. It's stylistically incompatible with the rest of their catalogue, though an album I enjoy.

Then you have Exodus'  "Force of Habit", which debuted in 1992. The band doesn't even play anything off that album anymore and haven't for a very long time and the reasons are obvious.

You also have Suicidal Tendencies "Art of Rebellion" (1992), which got away from what was clearly a thrash metal direction with the bands two previous efforts.

It doesn't even really matter why bands changed their sound after Metallica's Black album, whether it was only one record or multiple records, as the reverberations were felt from the success of Metallica in 1991. Whether bands willingly tried to piggyback on the success of Metallica or whether record companies were the impetus behind those albums, it came down to the almighty dollar!

Where did I say "at any point"? You can't compare a band writing a bad album or two, to what metallica did. You can say all those bands did that because if the black album, but I don't see it that way. The 90's were hard for a ton of Metal bands. Lot of great bands wrote a lot of shitty albums. A couple bad albums can't compare to twenty plus years of garbage.

Anyway, I get what your saying, but quite frankly I'm tired of talking about this band. I can't stand them now, and I'll never give a shit if they live or die. They've been dead to me since whatever year Load came out. I wish I could like them again, they were my absolute favorite band in the world. More power to people that still enjoy their brand of music, but they ain't for me.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:52 am

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Yeah, and the good news there is, I won't have to wait eight years for a new album to bitch about either according to the radio. They said they will be working on new stuff really soon, so get ready for round two lol

If they call it Rewired To Self Destruct I'm officially done with this band!! lol!
lol that might win me back if they did! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:06 am

Say what you will about bands going "commercial" but one silver lining that people ignore is that it may get newer fans to check out the older albums. Im sure there are LOTS of people who got into Metallica thanks to the Black album (or even load/reload) and then checked out their first 4 albums.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:00 am

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Say what you will about bands going "commercial" but one silver lining that people ignore is that it may get newer fans to check out the older albums. Im sure there are LOTS of people who got into Metallica thanks to the Black album (or even load/reload) and then checked out their first 4 albums.

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I only started listening to music in the late 80s, so all those supposed "sellout" albums that came out in the early 90s were pretty much my introduction to those bands. Sure, obviously I'd heard "One," but the Black Album was the first Metallica album I ever bought. Prior to that point, I was all about hard rock and, oddly, hip hop. Haha.

So yeah, I love 90s metal.

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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:30 pm

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Say what you will about bands going "commercial" but one silver lining that people ignore is that it may get newer fans to check out the older albums. Im sure there are LOTS of people who got into Metallica thanks to the Black album (or even load/reload) and then checked out their first 4 albums.

Raises hand.

I only started listening to music in the late 80s, so all those supposed "sellout" albums that came out in the early 90s were pretty much my introduction to those bands. Sure, obviously I'd heard "One," but the Black Album was the first Metallica album I ever bought. Prior to that point, I was all about hard rock and, oddly, hip hop. Haha.

So yeah, I love 90s metal.

I attribute TBA to my 25+ year love affair of metal. Without the music video for Enter Sandman I'd probably be listening to either rap alternative, or modern country.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:59 am

My favourite tracks are actually the two singles "Moth Into Flame" and "Atlas, Rise!" - I think some of the songs are style over substance - people seem to jizz in their paints over songs like "spit out the bone" because of how heavy it is, but to me it doesn't have a lot of hooks, which Metallica is known for - I prefer Death Magnetic, as I find the songs a lot more memorable - maybe it'll grow on me, but as of right now, I find it a little boring - still love Moth and Atlas, those songs are great!

Oh, and what is so bad about Lars' drumming? It sounds fine to me, definitely nothing wrong with the sound of the snare - oh, and I absolutely LOVE the double bass part at the last "light it up!" bit during "Moth Into Flame", definitely the most badass part on the whole album.


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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:03 am

Moth into flame is truly the best and most "metallica" song on the album.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:20 am

At this point of the band's career, I find their mid tempo songs to be catchier. Having said that, I think the band sounds great on "Moth Into Flame" and "Spit Out the Bone". I definitely prefer the first disc over the second, which sometimes I find a little harder to get through. Tracks 2-4 on the first disc (Now That We're Dead/Moth Into Flame/Dream No More) are probably my favorite three stretch of Metallica songs in a row since the days of the Black album, which were tracks 9-12 (Of Wolf and Man/The God That Failed/My Friend of Misery/The Struggle Within). For myself there has always been that one song that was average or was an overall clunker that ruined a successful track run.

Maybe I will feel differently down the road, but I still find "Hardwired" to be a little too juvenile for my tastes. Oh that chorus... On the second disc, I'm not too fond of "ManUNkind". I was writing off "Am I Savage?", but I'm finding myself giving that tune another chance. In some way shape or form, I find this song to sound so much like something off of "Load" or "Re-Load". The main riff is definitely all too familiar, but it's when James does "Oooooh" a few times in the song. "Oooooh's" and "Ohhhh's" were used quite frequently on those albums. This song definitely hearkens back to that time period. I don't know if its the video, which were the medium that I used when first hearing the songs, but "Here Comes Revenge" is maybe my favorite on the second disc.

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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:25 am

Confusion is my fave song on the album. It has a nice Doomy feel to it.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:04 pm

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My favourite tracks are actually the two singles "Moth Into Flame" and "Atlas, Rise!" - I think some of the songs are style over substance - people seem to jizz in their paints over songs like "spit out the bone" because of how heavy it is, but to me it doesn't have a lot of hooks, which Metallica is known for - I prefer Death Magnetic, as I find the songs a lot more memorable - maybe it'll grow on me, but as of right now, I find it a little boring - still love Moth and Atlas, those songs are great!

Oh, and what is so bad about Lars' drumming? It sounds fine to me, definitely nothing wrong with the sound of the snare - oh, and I absolutely LOVE the double bass part at the last "light it up!" bit during "Moth Into Flame", definitely the most badass part on the whole album.

I agree about "Spit Out the Bone." I think it's the worst one on the album. I like it, but after the fast part it just sounds like a mishmash of disjointed ideas.

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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:47 pm

Is the extra material any good?
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:59 pm

I'm enjoying this album more than I anticipated, but I think it coulda been shaved down to one album. There's a couple of clunkers on there that I could do without.

And they should be embarrassed at that piss-poor attempt at a "tribute" to Lemmy with 'Murder One'. You can tell the music was written for something else entirely and they just shoe-horned some random lyrics in there. Where's the rumbling bass? Where's the speed? Where is anything that resembles Motohead?

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Is the extra material any good?

The cover tunes are ok, but I have yet to get through the live stuff. After 3 or 4 songs, I'm moving on to something else.

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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:21 am

metalinmyveins wrote:
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And not true about every band does things for money. Not in the context you're saying anyways. I don't see megadeth changing their whole style of music just to get rich. Never heard an Overkill ballad yet. Still waiting for that rap metal album from slayer.

Megadeth didn't change their sound at any point? Are You kidding me? Metallica's Black album was the blue print for more than a few bands in the thrash genre changing something on their next effort. Megadeth's "Countdown to Extinction" was most definitely a huge departure from "Rust In Peace" and one could say the band didn't get back to a thrash sound until "The System Has Failed". Hell, look no further than Bud Prager's influence on "Risk". He had a handful of writing credits and was a co-manager of Bad Company and Foreigner (along with being a former member).

Then you have Overkill's "I Hear Black" (1993). This album was definitely in response to the success of the black album. Here is a quote from Blitz: "On I HEAR BLACK [1993], we tried to go the other way and were kind of left with a directionless record and it probably clutched onto this since." -http://www.metal-rules.com/metalnews/2005/07/28/overkill-vocalist-bobby-blitz-ellsworth/

For whatever reasons "The Ritual" by Testament was conceptualized, it certainly pales in comparison to anything the band wrote previously. How ironic that it was written in 1992, a year after the Black album.

Let's move on to Anthrax's "Sound of White Noise". That album also sounds NOTHING like any regarding their previous efforts. That album came out in 1993. It's stylistically incompatible with the rest of their catalogue, though an album I enjoy.

Then you have Exodus'  "Force of Habit", which debuted in 1992. The band doesn't even play anything off that album anymore and haven't for a very long time and the reasons are obvious.

You also have Suicidal Tendencies "Art of Rebellion" (1992), which got away from what was clearly a thrash metal direction with the bands two previous efforts.

It doesn't even really matter why bands changed their sound after Metallica's Black album, whether it was only one record or multiple records, as the reverberations were felt from the success of Metallica in 1991. Whether bands willingly tried to piggyback on the success of Metallica or whether record companies were the impetus behind those albums, it came down to the almighty dollar!


Late to this party, but that's a pretty solid breakdown of some major thrash records from the time period.

In addition to the Black Album's success though, I'd probably throw on top of that the fact that these dudes had to be getting sick of playing the same shit over and over and rewriting the same shit over and over.

Granted, most of the stuff they tried...did not work. But you know.

Even though I hate the Anthrax record, I kind of give it a pass in this discussion though because I woulda sounded kinda weird I think if they wrote another Persistence of Time and had John Bush singing on it. Sound of White Noise fit him a bit better.

Also....Force of Habit rules.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:24 am

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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:14 pm

Now that we're dead" is a new favourite!


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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:17 pm

Mglaffas81 wrote:

So "Now that we're dead" is a new favourite!

I like (no, I LOVE) the new Metallica album, but I feel something - Okay, here'es one thing - the Black Album was so good there is so good - what do you think?

I said this earlier and I will restate it once again. Tracks 2-4 on the first disc (Now That We're Dead/Moth Into Flame/Dream No More) are probably my favorite three stretch of Metallica songs in a row since the days of the Black album, which were tracks 9-12 (Of Wolf and Man/The God That Failed/My Friend of Misery/The Struggle Within).

"Now That We're Dead" very well might be my favorite on this album as well!
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:23 pm

What I like on this record I really like. Spit Out the Bone is great, other highlights are Here Comes Revenge, Hardwired, Moth into Flame, Atlas Rise, Now that Were Dead, Halo on Fire & Confusion

But there is some really weak stuff on here too. I agree that Murder One is the worst
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:26 pm

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Of Wolf and Man/The God That Failed/My Friend of Misery/The Struggle Within).

Man....when I finally revisited the Black Album about 5 years ago, after thinking I hated it since the early 90s, those 4 songs were like a revelation.

I love the entire album now except the two ballads, but those 4 tracks specifically are just f*cking perfect.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:04 pm

The black album is a masterpiece and my real introduction to metallica.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:25 pm

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The black album is a masterpiece and my real introduction to metallica.

Same here. Most of the albums I first heard are the albums fans love to hate. Haha.

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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:07 pm

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The black album is a masterpiece and my real introduction to metallica.

The one think that always irked me about haters of that record is that they say that Metallica went 'hard rock'

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Have they ever heard the record? It's heavy as shit!
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:10 pm

Black album is heavy. I see no hard/modern rock whatsoever in it.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:24 pm

hahaha
Black Album is what made many thrashers turn into death metallers or grungesters as that album was boring except for a few songs.
I went a little bit country and a little bit rock n roll instead.
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PostSubject: Re: All things Metallica   Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:15 pm

I like the Black Album, took me a few listens to get into it, but it's got cool riffs and great production. As good as the previous 3? Nah... but still a great listen, even if over played.
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